Womens World Cup

Discussion in 'Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International' started by pettyfog, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. jmh

    jmh New Member

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    Solo is still hot.

    I'm just saying.
     
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  2. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

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    and I'm not arguing.

    I just watched her interview on ESPN and Ryan's last match as coach -- PLEASE -- should be interesting. Will he start her?

    Comments on the match yesterday:

    The 1st goal was the one where I most noticed Solo's absence. with the normal communication, I don't think that goal would have been scored.

    Shannon's second yellow was weak, but the US was much too physical. They're always bigger than their opponents, and when they play rough, they all suffer from Gooch syndrome.

    Ryan has to go and be replaced by someone who wants to do something OTHER than play the long ball out of defense to Abby's head. We're going to finish 3rd in the WC, but this is the least attractive [in terms of play] American woman's team I've ever seen.

    One Mia Hamm; there's only one Mia Hamm. We no longer have that one player who can turn around a match at any time from any part of the pitch. Brazil does, and they should wipe out Germany and win it all. Looking forward to Marta on TV in 2009. Go WUSA!
     
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  3. BarryP

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    This is very true. In terms of creativity Brazil had at least the top four players on the pitch and I am being generous. The US team had no flair and created very few shots during the whole Cup that did not come off of set pieces.
     
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  4. Smokin'

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    I agree with Petty... WTF are you picking GK's based on past experience for? Brazil is a whole different team.... and we all know, COVER ME FELLAS, a 36 year old woman, is ten years older than a 36 year old man... ; ). Is leadership the issue here? Was Scurry prepared at all?

    I'm not sure which of those goals were save-able and I hardly care.

    If i were the coach, I'd pick the hot girl everytime. Its good for TV.
     
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  5. fulhamfaninMS

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    Solo sure did throw the coach under the bus with her comments after the game....WOW!!! calling out the coach and then saying that this isn't 2004 killing Briana too.....I can see the frustration but killing a teammate is not something coach will like when choosing for the next team.
     
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  6. Jensers

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    Oops..
     
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  7. Jensers

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    Look - we all know that being a great keeper is just as much about confidence and command as it is about personal skill.

    I would expect comments like that from a keeper - just the same as I would from a striker that is a true individual goal scorer. Cocky - sure - and good on her for it.

    As far as the decision, Does not seem like a good Idea to mess with chemistry on the defensive end of the pitch... Unless you are backed in a corner and specific evidence to show that something has already not worked. I dont think he had that evidence - but that being said - he is the USWNT coach and I am not.
     
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  8. HatterDon

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    I was so jazzed about the result v. The Undead that I completely blanked on the final WWC matches. I'm more than a little stunned that the Germans handled Marta and Co. so easily, but perhaps I always just expect the Brazilians to win anything connected with football.

    Nice to see the girls round into form, and I hope that Ms Solo is NOT the one who loses a USWNT place. I'm hoping that, like Roy Keane's bustup with the Irish national team a few years back, it'll be "yes, the player should not disrespect the coach in public like that, but yes, the player was probably right all along."

    Solo in; Ryan out. Olympics next year; WUSA the year after. Let's go get 'em, gals!

    ooooh: post #2500! Do I win anything?
     
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  9. andypalmer

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    Germany won, but only because of two incredible saves by their keeper - one on a penalty, another on a free kick.

    I just hope the lack of WCF win doesn't mean the Brazilian Federation won't support their women's team...again.
     
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  10. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, Smokin... cant cover you there because I think you're flat wrong.

    It's not in that age range where there's a difference in skills / abilities comparisons.
    It's in post-puberty mid-teen adult growth that wimmin fall behind. Otherwise they track men pretty well.

    Having watched both boys and girls in my little burg, it's embarrassing but true that parents watch for their girls' hip development to see if they can carry on through high school.

    'Broads' dont play good soccer.

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    I think the US team {players} did the right thing. And whether Solo is bitter about it or not, she should accept it, beg forgiveness and get back on the team.

    Scurry should semi-retire from the US team.
     
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  11. Jensers

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    Germany was more aggressive and won the 50/50 balls that the USA lost to Brazil. Germany deserved that win full stop.

    Marta also got hammered and didnt have the space to make the defense looked as weak as our gals did (even before we lost Boxx). Is it one x or 2?

    Anyway... We certainly rebounded against Norway, but as has been stated earlier - best opportunities and goals were from set pieces. And even tho that is great - I would like to see some more goals from our gals in the regular run of play.
     
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  12. Spencer

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    Solo saga

    Solo saga latest
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/w ... urst_N.htm

    hmmmm, don't know quite what to think of all that
     
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  13. HatterDon

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    RE: Solo saga

    I think that's the end of her "being sent to Coventry" and that she'll be back with the rest of the pony tails and orange slices for the Olympics.
     
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  14. Clevelandmo

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    RE: Solo saga

    Ryan needs to lose his job. He is a bonehead. If he was going to make such a move the team should have been prepared for it and obviously they were not. However, I dont think that I agree with most of you on the Germany assessment. I think the US played more competitively against Brazil than did Germany. Didnt feel this way until I watched the US-Brazil match a second time. US had many good chances and just didnt finish. Germany did not have many good chances and that first goal never should have gone in. Finally, Brazil wasnt getting any of the calls that they were getting against the US. Everytime one of the Brazilians was loose with the ball, they were tripped up by a German with no call. I think the ref in the final saw that call on Boxx and was determined not to make a similar mistake.

    However, I was very surprized the US couldnt perform better in this WC and have to blame it on Ryan. Either he didnt put the best 11 on the pitch or he cant get them to perform well. If you have some variety in your starters you dont have to make a tactical goalie change. Where is the player with flair or with speed?
     
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  15. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    RE: Solo saga

    That brings up a good point {at least I flashed on it}... how many of us factor in stepovers, blind backheels and dummies when we judge a team's qualities?

    Not that Brazil didnt outplay US without them, but dont those style points affect our judgement?
     
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  16. andypalmer

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    RE: Solo saga

    pettyfog. My problem with the USWNT is that they didn't have an identity - they showed up, played hard, but it was basically the last of the Old Guard (Lilly) and then 9 other players kicking the ball long to Abby Wambach. With Abby off the pitch, they lost what little rhythm they had (i.e., oh, what do we do now?) [Exhibit 1: North Korea game].

    Yes, Brazil had flair, but they had hard tackling but shaky defenders, a goalie capable of both amazing saves and amazing gaffes, a possession midfield with good tactical positioning, oh, AND the 2 most dynamic women forwards in the game.

    Germany had a solid, well disciplined back line, a wall in goal, center mids who controled the center of the pitch and ran the transition from the back line to the attack, wingers with pace and crossing ability, and two technical, powerful forwards.

    Again, the US had a target striker, 9 players who kicked it to her, and a 36 year old Captain in a poacher role. That's why we lost and that's why we need to replace Ryan.
     
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  17. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    RE: Solo saga

    I was just making a general observation... the upshot is
    Didnt we all think Brazil had a lock on the Final?
     
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