US v Slovenia

Discussion in 'Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International' started by SteveM19, Jun 13, 2010.

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  1. JP-STL

    JP-STL New Member

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    That ref is either incompetent of corrupt. For the sake of the integrity of the game, lets hope he is incompetent.
     
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  2. pettyfog

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    RE: Re: If U.S. Wins Group... We Will Avoid Argentina

    Nope... sure cant win group.

    I fully agree with thoose who fault US for their first half, but the thing is.. the game is 90 minutes plus stoppage, fifa says so.
    For a ref to be so obviously 'blind' says more to me.

    I aint goona say the OC word but this guy ought to have his calls reviewed and take a big pen on the goal disallow.

    But I'll say this... even after being a big Gooch supporter. I'm gonna lay into him for his frekin career choices. He should have been honing his craft instead of trying for the biggest team possible since he left SL.

    It's who you play AGAINST you big dummy.. not who you play FOR!
     
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    pettyfog, Jun 18, 2010
  3. JP-STL

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    RE: Re: If U.S. Wins Group... We Will Avoid Argentina

    What the hell is the "OC word"? No offense, pettyfog, but I don't understand half of what you post here...your posts are always filled with jargon and colloquialisms that I often don't get. Maybe I'm just not up on my soccer and pop-culture references.
     
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  4. Martin-in-Nashville

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    Re: RE: Re: If U.S. Wins Group... We Will Avoid Argentina

    You are NOT alone JP-STL You are NOT alone!!!
     
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    Martin-in-Nashville, Jun 18, 2010
  5. pettyfog

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: If U.S. Wins Group... We Will Avoid Argentin

    OVER Compensating for personal viewpoint.

    SURELY this guy doesnt consider political views, right?

    One way or the other, doesnt matter. Just call the game.

    So i said it anyway.. flame on or not I dont care.
     
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  6. nevzter

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    RE: If U.S. Wins Group... We Will Avoid Argentin

    I'm still livid, and post-match, Donovan says that the ref wouldn't even tell them what the call was on the disallowed goal. Simply amazing that such bullshit calls continue to plague the USMNT - and he had some doozies against Slovenia as well.

    And I don't give a fuck that the US 'shouldn't have been in that position to need a 3rd goal' well, because, they were in that position and fucking came back.

    Even after '02, I wasn't this angry...I may need some counseling after this one. And one last time: Fuck that piece of shit.
     
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  7. dtwondough

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    I sure don't like to wish bad things on people, but the ref should clearly not be allowed to ref another game in this World Cup. The US could have done plenty to not have been in that situation, but to fight back and have the Ref make such a bonehead call that even the coach wasn't sure what he called is ridiculous. I expect several of his calls to be reviewed and see a release from FIFA this afternoon. Maybe I'm more mad that I had to come to work to type this, but I'm beyond pissed off.
     
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  8. HatterDon

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    We just love to dig ourselves a hole, eh? :shock:

    At half time, I posted on FB [couldn't get on here] that we needed to sit Torres and Findley. Luckily, Bob-O is one of my FB friends! 8)

    The idea was that we'd put in Torres instead of Clark so that we could be more adventurous in central midfield. Well, more adventurous can also equal lack of protection of the back four, and both Slovenian goals resulted from space created by a more aggressive offensive central mid. Findley? Well, he just showed again that he's not ready for this stage. I'm still amazed that Bob took him rather than Ching, but there it is. Findley believes in his pace, but not in his ability to make anything from it. Really, he's best as a 75th minute shock troop, but we've already got a better one in Gomez.

    The second half? We looked wonderful. If we didn't win over any neutral fans, I don't know how we'll ever do it.

    Feilhaber and Edu -- mostly improved in an addition by subtraction way. Edu looked sharp later on, and took his "should have been" goal well, but Benny still looks a better individual player than he does a team player.

    Altidore was invisible much of the first half with Findley as his partner, but was a monster in the second half. He won balls. He won free kicks. He dominated a very tough Slovene back line. He'd better watch himself, though. His post match rants at every official in sight could have resulted in a post-match red card. I saw three different players/US officials trying to push him away, but he couldn't leave it alone. Two messages: Great effort, Jozy. GROW UP, Jozy.

    Donovan decided that the one person on the pitch who would make things happen was named Landon Donovan. Nice stuff, Mandon.

    Cherundolo was again the best of the back four, and the most improved player back there was definitely Cheesehead. Boca and Gooch did alright. I don't put either of the Slovene goals down to the back four, rather to the complete lack of central midfield coverage.

    Dempsey looked solid throughout and came within inches of causing some serious trouble to Slovenia on two or three occasions.

    Bradley played solidly in both halves -- I blame Torres for the lack of central defense, since his inclusion in the squad was designed to get Bradley upfield more. His goal was well-taken, and looked like 80% of the goals he's scored in Holland and Germany. Certainly somebody in the Prem is going to sign this guy.

    Timmie looked fit and fine, but really had little to do. I love how he "gently corrected" his back line, especially nearly shaking Edu out of his socks in the last few minutes.

    My man of the match was Bob Bradley. His starting lineup [with the exception of Findley over Buddle] was designed to unlock a bus parked in front of the Slovene goal. The Slovenes threw him a curve. When our momentum late in the first half resulted in a Slovene second rather than our equalizer, he reacted by pulling both of his starting lineup mistakes, and sending Dempsey up to partner Jozy. Still a goal down late in the game, he brought on Gomez for Gooch, and "went for it," with a 3-4-3. Once we equalized, we went back to a 4-4-2, secure in the knowledge that Edu has plenty of match experience as a central defender. I thought the second half was some of the best tactical leadership I've seen from ANY USA manager. Bob needs some props.

    And, no, I'm not going to trash the ref. He gave at least two yellows to Slovene players who didn't deserve them as well. His whistle blew about 1/10 of a second before Edu made contact, so he blew for a US foul of some kind. All the replays didn't show it, but WTF did we put ourselves in a position where a blown call could cost us the game against Slovenia?
     
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  9. WhitesBhoy

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    I am past it already (barely). Live to fight another day. Beat Algeria by enough and a World Cup of possibilities open up.
     
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  10. pettyfog

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    There were definitely bad calls against Slovenia, as well. But balanced out... some against US??!! why does it matter. What's in the box should stand apart.

    I was optimistic all through the match, even two down. But I'm now just looking at individual play under duress. There's always something to be proud of and I saw some in this game.

    But I definitely see reason to critique others..

    One thing I wont do is slag off Bob Bradley. Dammit, he was the right guy for this job and his attempt to correct things shows that.
     
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  11. JP-STL

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    Whitebouy and Don, you are more mature and wise than I am, because I am still seething. I am still trying to suppress thoughts of ugly anti-Americanism or outright corruption having just taken place. It is an emotional response, and when I'm thinking more rationally I will likely come to the conclusion that the guy just had a bad day on the job.

    ...but right now, I am seething. Has anyone heard ANY explanation of his call? I still don't know why the goal was called back.
     
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  12. pettyfog

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    heh..
    THAT didnt take long!!!!

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    Gotta love those 'shops!

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    Somebody on Crew MB said the ESPN crawl said 'Offside'
     
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  13. Jensers

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    I may have just became an England supporter.

    Donavon - what a goal. Bradley came up huge when we needed him.

    I am not going to talk about the ref or the goal that should have been - it is too much.

    Come on boys - you are in the hunt!
     
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  14. dtwondough

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    Don, i agree with you to a point. But Jozy is 20 yrs old and I know when i was 20, i would have been much worse. Hell, i'm 35 and still would have been much worse. Emotion is a great thing. You never know where it will take you. Luckily, there were guys to keep him in check, but I have no problem with him pointing out what a terrible job they did. Sure, it's easy to say that the US should not have allowed Slovenia to be in that position, but they did. And when they fight back and deserve to the goal to win it, only to have it pulled because of a foul that still no one knows what it was, is completely ridiculous. Now, if replays and everything else show a legit foul, then great call, but I still haven't seen anything showing that. For goodness sake, even Harkes thought it was bad.
     
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  15. JP-STL

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    If Dempsey had scored, Harkes would have agreed with the ref.
     
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  16. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    I decided when we were two down ENG was my 2nd, no matter what. Screw the 'rooting for the minnow or underdog' crap.
     
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  17. Clevelandmo

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    First of all, it should not be possible to make any call without a reason. In what other sport can you do that? The fact that the ref can disallow a goal without giving a reason is a joke. This tournament is a friggin' joke!

    Hats off to the USA for what should have been three points. No we should'nt have had to dig our way out of that hole, but face it. If this team didnt have the habit of conceding early then we'd be one of those teams that loses leads.
     
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  18. HatterDon

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    a couple of instances of rebutting

    1. I didn't come anywhere near saying that the ref's calls equaled out. What I said was that he was making bizarre calls against both sides.

    2. I made a point of noting that the whistle blew a split second BEFORE Edu's foot hit the ball. It was a wrong call, but it wasn't a wrong call specifically made to deprive us of a goal.

    3. Yes, Jozy is only 20, but how many more examples does he need of how his temper hurts his team? He is making grown-up money by doing a grown-up job. If the officials didn't give him a post-match yellow or red -- something I've seen countless times for actions like this -- it won't be because he didn't try his hardest to get it.

    4. And, really? The referee is Osama Bin Laden? Is that a US version of The Sun?

    5. And, Pettyfog, once you told us that OC meant overcompensating, some of us STILL don't know what the heck you're talking about.
     
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  19. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Well, Don..

    I hate to tell you this but sometimes a ref will make a call because they thought they blew a previous one... OR they -as a civilian- have favorites.. OR in internationals, because of some political viewpoint.

    Refs are human. And get a fucking grip! It was funny!

    Like THIS is funny..

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    Doesnt mean I agree. Or are you gonna do a Martin on me..

    Martin claims that every US fan thinks a 1-1 is a US win.
     
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  20. dtwondough

    dtwondough New Member

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    Come on Don, just because he's making grown-up money and has a grown-up job doesn't make him a grown up emotionally. You can surely understand this. Can he carry himself better after games, probably, but I like his emotion.
     
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