US MNT v. Costa Rica & Honduras

Discussion in 'Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International' started by Clevelandmo, May 26, 2009.

  1. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy Active Member

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    And stupid grey pantyhose.

    Didn't we already learn about playing in that ridiculous, no relation whatsoever colour from before??
     
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  2. WhitesBhoy

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    "Attention Dr. Klinsmann, we have a code red!"

    Bradley leading this team to World Cup 2010,....nope.
     
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  3. Lyle

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    I have my doubts if Klinsmann is any good. He did a poor job at Bayern. His World Cup experience may have had less to do with him and more to do with the team, or maybe even Joachim Löw.

    I like him personally though.
     
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  4. HatterDon

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    One bad match shouldn't color a very decent 18 months. Leave Bradley alone. Klinsmann is unproved. If he were worth a crap, Germany or Bayern would still have him. Let Bradley follow through to SA 2010.

    Then you guys can cut his throat.
     
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  5. Flamingcokecans

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    I don't like the idea of hiring a non-US citizen as coach. It just kind of says, "we know we suck and the only way we are going to get better is others' help" - this concept was brought to my attention earlier this year by our own Roy Hodgson in an interview he did about his own chances of becoming England's coach and it really hit home. Yeah, I will be the first to admit that we need help and the MLS system does not look like the place to get it, but the national team, imo, is about the nation and its soccer development.
     
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  6. LaxAttack

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    The LB situation (I almost went with debacle) is really making me think we move Boca to LB and play Califf or Demerit at CB with Gooch.

    I think the loss of Boca at CB with a gain at LB is far better than Boca at CB and crap at LB.

    I also don't think Wynne is quite ready for RB. Why can't Spector even crack the Top 18? We sure did miss Frankie's energy. The whole team looked dead.
     
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  7. LaxAttack

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    Looks like Conor Casey is getting the call up with Ching still injured for Saturday. I doubt he plays though.
     
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  8. pettyfog

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    That might very well be true. Why cant the US develop a good LB specialist?*
    USMNT aint the only one. Look at Hejduk's appearances for the MLS Champs. And look at their record. * Padula at LB tries to make up for it by going up, Frankie-style, but it just aint the same.
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    -Padula and Hejduk-

    And thinking about that, perhaps the answer to the question about Spector. Technical proficiency is one thing, passion is another. I cant answer whether that's the reason, though.
     
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  9. HatterDon

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    Here's a thought about our dearth of quality left backs. In the larger football world, nearly all quality left backs start as left wingers. Those wingers who wind up at LB generally do so for one of two reasons: (1) The one weakness in their goal-line to goal-line game is a temerity in front of goal. OR (2) The team they break in with has a solid left winger, and in an effort to get them on the pitch, they're switched to LB.
    In other words, the way to make sure you have great LBs available for a national team, is to ensure that you have plenty of great left wingers.

    In another country, it is quite possible that both DMB and Eddie Lewis might have been converted to LB early in their careers and Da Beas might be excelling at it for the USMNT right now. But the clear fact is that we have developed only 3 left wingers of reasonable quality in the last 15 years -- Lewis, Beasley, and Convey. That's hardly a logjam that would require a talented lad to switch to defense.

    A point about Hejduk -- Frankie is a freak. He plays better than he is. This happens a lot with a lot of players, but Frankie ALWAYS plays better than he is. He's the Pete Rose of soccer -- without the gambling and the general ass-hole-ness -- in that season after season, game after game, his performances are consistently above his skill set. I don't think this can be replicated; we should just enjoy it.

    There's nothing wrong with Spector. I think Bradley was looking for a FB who had some break-out pace to try and keep the CR midfield honest. Wynne has pace, but he's never going to be an international-quality footballer. Spector is, and I think you'll see him in Chicago.

    As for moving Boca to LB, I think I'm coming around to this idea. The Boca-Gooch pairing at CB is by far the best we've had, but Gooch is settled and confident enough to pair with Califf, Demerit, even young Zak Whitbread and still do a good job, while we don't have anyone with close to as much experience and talent at the #3 than Boca.
     
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  10. Clevelandmo

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    So have we all just given up on Pearce?

    Be prepared to eat those words someday Don. In fact, I could argue that he already is. Everyone is judging him on one game, a game in which no one on the US side looked to be international quality (whatever that is).

    I also didnt see the love for Davies that everyone else saw, but maybe I was too drunk by then. Or maybe you guys are all just repeating what Lala said. Thought Torres stunk with everyone else. How many times did he fall down? Yes he held the ball and dribbled a bit but to no effect whatsoeva' I thought Adu and Bradley were the only ones who stood out in a positive way.

    Agree with EricD about the US's abominable touches on the ball. Also wish sometime soon Dempsey will bring his Fulham-self to the MNT. Also agree with Barry 'bout all of our players wanting to go through the middle.
     
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  11. BarryP

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    I would never just repeat what Lalas says as a matter of pride and principle. I did not think Davies was super dominant but I did think he and Adu played well off of one another. IMO they created more problems for Costa Rica's defense than the rest of the squad combined.
     
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  12. Clevelandmo

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    Okay then I guess I was too drunk by then to notice Davies. I actually dont even know who the penalty was on. I think the camera showed it from kind of a high angle, and I was too distracted by Landys pre-penalty gesticulations to look for a replay. Was the foul against Davies?

    I was baiting people with the Lala comment. He annoys me. I want Wynalda back.
     
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  13. omsdogg

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    I think this can't be overlooked. Yes we were shite all over the field, but a lot of the credit needs to go to the Ticos who were brilliant. I also think that a match like that is just the wake up call that we need. In my opinion, we are still the dominant team in Concacaf and I expect our players to be more accountable and to come out with some fire against Honduras (which will not be an easy match). I also think Bradley should not have started Beas or Altidore considering they have not been playing. Wynn should start every match in the Gold Cup and get some quality playing time there, not on the road in one of the most difficult places we play in World Cup Qualifying. Spector should have gotten the nod. Bottom line is, no one gets a pass, all need to take accountability, and I expect a good performance against Honduras.
     
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  14. HatterDon

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    If you remember, Mo, I was the biggest Pearce booster on the site. The fact that he can't get on the pitch for a BL2 side coupled with the sleepwalking he did in his last USMNT appearance convinced me that he needs fixing -- mental, physical, emotional --before he appears in a USMNT squad again.

    I'm not judging Wynne on this last appearance. I've been doubtful of him since I first saw him play in the league. He has pace but no touch. He gets into good positions, but doesn't do anything once he gets there. He covers defensively, but is a crappy tackler and ball winner. In other words, he's a great athlete who plays football, not a great footballer. Cherundolo, Hejduk, and Spector are all superior to him in all aspects of the RB game, with the exception of out and out pace.

    Wynne to me is like Steve Ralston and Ricardo Clark. They have neither the skills nor the track record to indicate that they're of international level, but they keep getting selected for the US anyhow. Well, not so much Ralston since he joined me on social security.
     
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  15. BarryP

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    I believe it was against Gooch on a corner kick.
     
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  16. Clevelandmo

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    Don, Wynne was fabulous in the Olympics which you claim to have not seen. His tackling was fastastic. He doesnt have the greatest touch but it did not really hurt him. He was a monster as Christian said. He's a former forward who can also be very dangerous on the attack - something we need. Time will tell
     
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  17. SoCalJoe

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    you know you are a bit of a masochist....when you actually watched all 90 minutes of that tripe (thank you sir may I have another).

    Thought maybe a day or two of reflection would calm me down, but no such luck. Yes WC qualifying has its bumps in the road, and our records at Saprissa and Azteca are terrible, but that performance draws major red flags.

    Leadership; we are in desperate need of it and Bradley doesn't look to have any answers on the road. Our best player is obviously not a leader, and I would tell him to can the pk bs when you're down 3-0 in the 90th

    Boca; he is the captain, but doesn't look able to close down a lamp post. Putting him at LB is a recipe for disaster. I respect Beas for volunteering, but he's a wisp that can't get off the bench in Scotland.

    Pablo; don't get me started...yes he has been a servant, gritty, yada yada yada...but he flat out stinks, and should of never put on the jersey again after the red card against Italy...3 YEARS AGO!! It blows my mind he keeps getting caps. Only Jeff Agoos is comparable to someone who shouldn't be near the pitch, but keeps getting the call.

    Duece; The reason he doesn't look to be in it like at FFC... HE IS NOT A FORWARD!! Did Bradley watch any Fulham matches?? Is there any midfielder on the US better than Duece??? It's not rocket science, put him where he belongs dammit!!

    If I was an opposing coach for the Confederation Cup I would watch the tape to see how to exploit us, but I wouldn't dream of showing it to my team in fear of over confidence.
     
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