The political gripe thread--from Strange Days

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by dcheather, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. HatterDon

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    Fog, I typed up a whole thing in response but I must have hit the wrong button because it's not there. I'm a bit lost about what you'd like me to respond to. The Pinocchio awards are given for lies. You're indicting the Post for what they DIDN'T say. Is that what you wanted me to comment on?

    If you're not getting the responses you're hoping for, you might try to be a little clearer. Style is only good if it doesn't obscure substance, and I'm afraid yours does.

    So, what did you want me to respond to again?
     
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  2. pettyfog

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    I dont see what's hard to understand. I would think the reference to watergate/nixon and the WaPo role* there would give you a hint.
    I'm indicting the Post for what they didn't DO - for example- when the President began his long campaign on the ACA. And that they are strangely blind to his being in campaign mode ever since he assumed the presidency. Their late awarding of Pinocchios is a laugh, given previous pages full of excuses in WaPo. They made excuses until they were forced to admit it was just that.. Campaign sloganeering.
    NOTHING that's happening now is a surprise to me. We elected him, but please don't go all "I didnt know.." when the facts come out.
    Lots of people knew and pointed it out.**
    Starting with Pelosi saying: "We have to pass it to find out what's in it."
    Lots of laws passed are like that. But for a political leader to SAY that points out a real attitude problem.

    * While you're at it, explain the marginalization of Bob Woodward when he now points out some 'Inconvenient Truths'. Stupid old Bob... he's gotten senile - or racist- if he says something Limbaugh might quote.
    ** And lots of us 'right wing haters' know that Senator Obama told the SEIU in 2004 that he was for 'Single Payer Health Care' but it couldn't happen all at once and implied it would happen in the mid-teens decade. What's your over/under on that, now?

    Interesting how 'shit happens' and you dont really need a conspiracy, just some 'rules', huh?
    It is what it IS... own it!
    heh.
     
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  3. Clevelandmo

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    Ahhh, now I understand. :D
     
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  4. pettyfog

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  5. HatterDon

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    Well, I understand the words, but I still don't understand equating lying with saying nothing.
     
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  6. pettyfog

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    Really!!

    Nothing about sins of Omission v Commission? Nothing about the 'Fourth Estate' being the protector of a free society?

    I can understand youngers seeing no difference {after all, even Wikipedia must think the term is quaint, they have no separate entry for it} but we grew up in an age where that was addressed in 'Civics' class in HS.
    Goes with the 5 story facets of reporting: Who What Where, when, why. And sometimes how. Now NEWS USUALLY only includes the first four. If facts offend the writer's sense of propriety, the offensive part is relegated to the last paragraph.

    Back before Journo was an offshoot of PoliSci, where hopeful reporters state they take J school 'to make a difference', the quaint custom was that reporters operated as 'investigtive muckrakers', not particularly caring whose ox was gored as long as they 'got the scoop' more better faster .. and usually.. most credibly.
    If a reporter knew of some scandal and didnt at least try to report on it, they actually might have got fired.

    In turn the old men founders like Jefferson and Franklin pointed out that a Free Press was essential to a free society. Not exactly a new concept.
    The implication being that the masses relied on their press' free thought and abhorrence of corruption to help protect them from governmental tyranny

    Here's a good 'Progressive site's' take on Free Press:
    And kos isnt just blowing smoke, Markos joined with numerous conservative bloggers in resisting restrictions on internet speech under the guise of 'Internet Freedom'.
    Quite a different concept from Journolist where reporters got to use collaboration in getting across their political points.

    Of course that's a little dated cause it was a lot of work and shit. Why not cut to the chase and just get your talking points from MMFA or TPM!

    Fair enough...but even then, it causes delays in the news cycle. And sometimes gets embarrassing if you're not on the same page.

    Good example would have been Alec Baldwin's loose cannon insensitivity, toward the gay life. If his show only had any ratings. He shouldn't have been fired at all but it was an easy out on account of that.

    Back to the subject, employing one wobbly conservative {Jen Rubin} in a mainstream paper, like WaPo, is not enough. People will NOT trust you.
    [​IMG]

    As Glenn Reynolds wrote on the difference between news media and new media in 2004:

    So now... when inconvenient truths are hyped on the net and you find nothing about it in your favorite media, you sorta get the idea that someone's covering something up. And you really dont trust them
     
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  7. HatterDon

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    Well, the only way I would know if the Washington Post was purposely not carrying an important story over, say, the last 5 years, would be for me to read every page of every day's WP for ... well, for 5 years. THEN, I'd have to read several other papers to find stories that WP isn't carrying and then try to figure out if it's because (a) they already had it and it ran its course, (b) they hadn't gotten it yet, (c) they didn't deem it interesting enough to print, or (d) they're bad members of the bad lamestream liberal media and they're not doing the prime investigative journalism that needs to be done by a paper you've elevated to near the word of God.

    Of course with all this reading every single day, and trying to keep up with all the non-printed articles which might or might not be relevant in a week, a month, or six months time, you'd have to have some sort of spreadsheet to keep track of all the possible examples of them shirking their duties. Or, just to be safe, and knowing how the on-line version often differes from the print version, you could keep all the actual newspapers to check your facts against. Oh, and don't forget that there are several versions of each day's Washington Post to scan and keep track of.

    After spending several hours a day scanning the several versions of the post for information that ISN'T there, and several hours scanning other publications for information not present in the POST but existing elsewhere, you'd need several charts [or, I suppose several blackboards would do] to look for trends, constantly revisiting your notes from last month, three months ago, six months ago, or last year and making more notes, putting stickies on missing articles, and updating your spreadsheets.

    Now the time it would take to do all this preparedness, daily scanning, and note-taking would probably eat up most of your waking hours, but at least you'd be able to go to your files and, several days later, come out with a list of examples over the last five years of the Post's egregious lapses of responsible reportage, then come on FulhamUSA.com and cite them one by one. Alternatively, you could just make some extremely obscure references, or -- and I'm sure this never crossed your mind -- you could go to certain sites and scan through pages and pages of rants with the theme: "WHY ISN'T THE MAINSTREAM PRESS TALKING ABOUT THIS?" But I know that you wouldn't resort to such shortcuts

    In any case, since I haven't read more than five or six complete Washington Post editions in my entire life, and since I haven't had a copy in my hands in a good 10 years, and since I don't think I've ever checked them out on-line, I'm not as knowledgeable as you in terms of what they cover and what they don't. I'll take your word when you cite examples -- although I must tell you that I've run down several claims of press bias in the past and found out that the VAST majority are groundless and, to be a bit indelicate, examples of lying. Yes, I'll accept your examples, but here's what I won't accept: I won't accept being criticized because I don't have the same rage as you do.

    Of course, if I'd have spent 12-20 hours a day every day for five years tracking every word in every edition of the Washington Post AND other papers for comparison, I'd be a little short of temper myself.

    I hope you're good with my FULL EXPOSURE on this topic. Nice talking to you.
     
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  8. pettyfog

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    Yeah.. that was great.

    Never mind it was all about nothing. Great thing about the net. There are sites which digest and provide links to articles of interest.

    And never addressing my core point, which was the role of the press. Which press now will continue to be more and more critical of people and issues they should have been looking at closely all along but did not.
     
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  9. HatterDon

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    A classic bit of Pettyfoggery. Anyone care to take a crack at translating that into English?
     
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  10. pettyfog

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    heh....
     
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