President Obama's Speech

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  1. Clevelandmo

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    I'm sure you heard it or read it but just in case, here is the text.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090120/ap_ ... obama_text

    What does everyone think? I thought it was a very good speech and he said a few things that I've been waiting a very long time to hear a president say:

    and

    Best of luck to our new President and COYW's, wait that doesnt sound right. Come On Fulham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Oh yeah, and then I heard that the stock market took the largest-ever inaguration day plunge. Do you think it was because of this?

     
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  2. RidgeRider

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    RE: President Obama

    The speech was pretty good but...

    Frankly, I have never been more embarrassed to be an American after what I saw and what I heard coming from the crowd at the inauguration today as they booed and sang that song. Classless liberals. We remain a nation divided, and it was no more evident than what happened today when they welcomed theirs and booed the departing like a bunch of drunken hooligans at football match. Pathetic.
     
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  3. HatterDon

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    Just what is it about conservatives that makes them so easily embarrassed to be Americans? Please, RR, find a link showing what the booing and "that song" are about. I was washing out a few things today and didn't watch TV coverage of the inaug. Was the booing part of the song? Was the booing a reaction to the song? I've read this "embarrassed" and "song" reference on two sites now and have no idea what you're talking about.

    Please, a link, RR. I don't want to have to wade through 18 hours of media overkill to find out what offended you so. Help a bud out.

    And look on the brightside, whatever it was, it helped you locate those pockets of "classless liberals" in the crowd of 200,000 or was it 2.5 million?
     
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  4. pettyfog

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    I'm gonna make it short and sweet.
    RR decided to tone it down, but his first post reflects the results of how Obama got elected. It stands.

    If McCain -or Dubya - had stumbled that badly in the swearing-in, the hoots and hollers would echo coast to coast. He was nervous and mind racing at the portent. Discussion closed. But the fact remains...

    The 'poet', second rate Maya Angelou wannabe, displays the great vacuity of the mindset that elected Obama.

    The closing prayer by the race merchant shows how likely it is that those folks really will 'come together'.

    Dubya and his administration's efforts in the transition, on the other hand, show exactly how serious the problems Obama faces. Good luck to him... and us.

    Don it isnt hard to find.
     
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  5. HatterDon

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    Well, Jack's asleep over on the west coast, 'fog, but I still don't know what he's talking about in re "booing" or "that song."

    Obviously, you were successful in looking for things in the day's pagentry to get all "us v. them" about, so congratulations to you. I look forward to four more years of how people were deluded into voting for Obama. That must be the new key phrase in talk-radio land. "Switch from Bush Derangement to Obama Delusion." And thousands of followers begin to write letters to the editors.

    And so it goes.

    I'll keep checking back for the link.
     
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  6. pettyfog

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    clearly shows in the search results, Don.

    I'd like to point out that everything Obama had direct control over got little criticism from conservative bloggers.
    Slate: Mickey Kaus - fine speech!

    However that remains the worry. Obama's pragmatism is seen as remarkably encouraging, but what sops will he give away, to counterweight those hard choices, that directly influence us for ill in the future?
     
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  7. dcheather

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    The booing is now something that happens all the time, at the last inauguration Clinton was booed. It is is tasteless and not something I find very appealing. Don, on Dupont Circle there was a giant inflatable Bush figure that had a sign that said "Give Bush the Boot" and encouraged people to throw shoes at the figure. Most people walked on by but there were the juvenile sort that threw shoes. Sigh.

    As for the speech, only a couple of points I find that were OK. The section Mo pointed out where Obama talked about the faith and determination of the American people and not apologizing for our way of life and will protect it without compromising our values.

    BTW, it was Justice Roberts who flubbed the oath and got Obama off track. But if it was Bush who got off track, everybody would be having a field day on saying Bush can't repeat a few simple sentences. Daily Show and Colbert especially.
     
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  8. SteveM19

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    Gentlemen, this is not a new phenomenon -- two bit criers from both wings have acted ridiculously since the hippie movements in the 60s and probably earlier than that. I remember when i was in college and Bush Sr was sworn in. A left winger on my campus wore a black armband to commemorate the occasion.

    It is easy to make noise and be seen in the media if you are willing to make an ass of yourself -- that is how PETA markets their positions. Funny thing is, nitwits like that are Americans too. Pissant, two-bit, embarrassing Americans, but Americans nonetheless.

    Also, Heather is spot on about the Bush/ Obama/ Roberts brouha and the Daily Show coverage.

    Something I find disheartening is how many young, college age students listen to them and take what they ahve to say seriously. Maybe I did somehting like that too when I was young, I can't remember. But I hypothesized that dim bulbs that showcase more sizzle than steak will not have staying power. I guess I was wrong.

    I was sub teaching yesterday, and during the speech, the school looked like every office in America -- not a whole lot of industry going on :D . I liekd what he had to say about Nat'l Security and that, oh yeah, there is an enemy out there that very much wants to wipe us off the map. They aren't going to fold up shop with a lot of prodding, to paraphrase President Obama.

    Now, what are we going to do about it.
     
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  9. HatterDon

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    Right-on, Steve. And as Americans they are free to express their opinions. In doing some research on yesterday's sideshow, I discovered that there was also a group of 100 or so folks who were near what must have been an Obama pep-rally. Evidently, every time someone in the pep rally shouted "Obama." This group shouted -- in unison -- "ANTICHRIST." This doesn't make me embarrassed to be an American, since it is every Americans Constitutional freedom to "make an ass of yourself" by the written and spoken word.

    Also

    They've always been around, Steve, and they will always be around. As long as people are comfortable just echoing meaningless phrases instead of thinking, considering, and analyzing, it'll be this way. Your quest as a teacher, Steve, is to try and get your students (a) to think and not parrot, and (b) to question every bit of stated wisdom -- especially their own opinions. I'm sure you'll do your best.

    Heather, thanks for the perspective and information. Fog, thanks for the link. Ridge, hope you're over your embarrassment.
     
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  10. RidgeRider

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    I'm not Don. I watched the coverage and there were loud boo's as President Bush was announced. I couldn't freekin' believe it!.....or could I. I guess it comes as no surprise to expect that sort of behavior from liberals. They were also singing the na, na, na song. They couldn't just revel in Obama's swearing in, they had to turn into a beer soaked juvenile sporting match where the opponents are ridiculed. That my friend is classless. My last post on this.
     
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  11. SteveM19

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    To be sure, if I lived in northern CA, home of the most strident and embarrassing political crybabies on either side of the spectrum, I'd find them pretty disgusting too.
     
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  12. HatterDon

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    hard to argue with Steve.

    Jack, here's the thing. The things that you found boorish and classless yesterday are things that I'd also classify in those terms. I don't, however, find them examples of liberalism. You do, and that's a problem for me. Regarding Heather's post -- were the people booing Clinton 8 years ago also liberals? How about the orchestrated group shouting "antichrist" everytime Obama's name was mentioned earlier in the day. Were they liberals also? Really? And, if so, since liberals are such well-connected elitists, why was all the booing coming from the cheap seats?

    Because here's the thing. I've spent the last eight years hearing people who call themselves "conservatives" slavishly supporting a huge-government, deficit-spending, law-flouting, anti-libertarian administration -- even going so far as to call any criticism of that administration evidence of "degrangement." The last two years I've sat and shook my head while that same group of "conservatives" looked at small-governement, civil-libertarian, deficit-hawk John McCain and pronounced him "not a real conservative." This has convinced me that, to a large group of political thinkers, "conservative" doesn't mean anything at all in terms of political philosophy, more than it is a term that means "we're against all those gay-loving, gun-snatching, immigrant-loving, lily-livered flag burners who say such hateful things about our side."

    And that's okay with me; shaking my head at the fact that what passes for modern conservatism is such a self-parody happens with such regularity that it has turned out to be good cardio. I don't really mind if people don't know what conservatism is, since I'm not a conservative. What I do mind is that the last 16 years of one-sided debate on the radio has convinced too many reasonably intelligent people that liberalism is nothing more than a compendium of things that these broadcasters don't like. And as a result, political discourse has turned out to be a call-and-response exchange of generalities. Nobody looks for the common ground or even for a solution to problems, because nobody understands the cause and result of those problems. And there's no reason to solve problems, since finding common ground would cause an admission that some of the other guy's argument might have merit. Issues exist not for discussion or resolution. Issues exist as a means of choosing which gang is your gang. That's why I don't go to either liberal or conservative sites to find discussion of issues. All that you'll find there is name-calling defensiveness.

    But, hey. Many people are comfortable in a world that is either pitch black or dazzlingly white, and it's easier to think that any behavior which they find disturbing or loathsome or distasteful is evidence of the effects of Hollywood-east-coast-educational-elite-labor-union-socialist-terrorist liberalism [or as red-necked, gun-toting, bigoted, racist, xenophobic gay-bashers]. That doesn't make them right, though.

    And that's my last word on the subject.
     
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  13. Bradical

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    Politics are way too much like sports fanaticism, only with higher stakes and longer cycles. In our hopelessly flawed two-party system, the analogy is, "we're rooting for laundry." Hence the booing, the competition of being the better fan who rests on the higher ground, and defending one's allegiance to the point of exhaustion. Shouting talk radio, negative blogging, "win at all costs" mentality.

    What I love about being an Independent is that I get to applaud (or hiss) either side.
     
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  14. richardhkirkando

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    Highlights of the inauguration for me:

    * the parts where Obama shut up for half a second and then you could hear a bunch of half-claps scattered about the crowd
    * generic white guy talking about martin luther king
    * the "unique musical experience" that was actually a strings group playing Infiniti Q45 music, which made me think of ball bearings rolling along the cracks of a hand crafted luxury automobile...maaaaaagic!
    * the random cut to to a live feed of kenyans watching the inauguration
    * Obama going into "SUPPORT THE TROOPS" mode. Fanboys prankd!
    * Bono singing the national anthem in traditional Gaelic

    ok that last one didn't really happen, but it would have been cool
     
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  15. nevzter

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    That fictional highlight would've been my favorite moment (other than that, Aretha's voice and big hat w/ bow are my highlights...and she ain't fictional.)

    As Mr. Meredith once sang: turn out the lights, the party's over...and now the real business starts - the whole economic meltdown and two wars thing persist as the fiberglass shavings in my underwear.

    And enough with the Nor-Cal populace degredation...as with anywhere, if you ignore the idiots that surround you and bask in nature's beauty, everything's more than alright. And we gots lots of that nature's beauty thing going for us, which is nice.
     
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  16. HatterDon

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    all I know is that the sumbitch has been president for more than 36 hours, and I still haven't seen any improvement in my financial situation. Fuck hope. Impeach the asshole NOW!
     
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  17. nevzter

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    :banana:
     
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  18. SteveM19

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    Depends on how cute Hope is! :D


    And Aretha's hat and bow was the comedic highlight of the inauguration. I think someone tried to park a humvee on it.

    No slamming of N Cal intended, only of the knuckleheads that call the place home, just like every other place N Cal has knuckleheads.
     
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  19. jmh

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    Re: RE: President Obama

    Taking those few as representative of all Obama voters or all liberals is no more realistic than generalizing that all McCain/Bush voters or all conservatives are toothless inbred gun-toting homophobes.
     
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  20. Clevelandmo

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    RE: Re: RE: President Obama

    look what you guys did to my thread that was meant to be about Obama's speech
     
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