pettyfog prattles..

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by pettyfog, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. FFC24

    FFC24 New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    He got battered for that comment so I'm not rwally sure how you think people are ok with him clearly contradicting himself.

    Also that Asia trip was one of the worst foreign trips I've ever seen. Whether or not China owns us or not isn't going to stop me from battering them in the international stage for the abuses to the Uighurs and the abuses to the rest of the Chinese population. Jesus Christ were fucking weak. On top of this, Obama gets NOTHING out of the trip. He wants to talk about "long term", but fucking ell, get something in the short term.
  2. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    I think you misread Mo's intent, 24. She was talking about the primary sources, not the commentators.

    Take everything into the picture.. including my posts on same page.
    Our foreign policy has Brzezinski written all over it. It's failing and making us look stupid. Even to Europeans forcrineoutloud!
    And even the Onion!

    And now.. not only is Carter being brought up, but Nixon's gaffes, as well. The difference being Nixon got something done.

    Add to that the Stimulus charts with fake jobs created in fake districts... damn we competent, aint we!
  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
  4. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    H. Dean: Rep'n's r right..

    Health care bill is crap Worse than doing nothing!
    {- note: blip doesnt allow for viewing on-site, it either embeds or downloads}

    Of course, Dr Dean is approaching this from the opposite side, he is fully for government run 'single payer'.

    What he doesnt understand, or rather acknowledge, is that it really ISNT about health care, per se... it's about controlling everything. You gotcher health, then you gotcher everything else.

    Most of which depends on the cost of energy.
  5. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Honduras votes Democracy

    Its voter turnout was higher than in the previous national elections which brought Liberals and Zelaya to power, a rebuke to Zelaya who wanted a boycott.

    The Liberals were punished in the election, but maintained their credibility as they will be able to run blame free in the next elections.
    The reason for that, of course, is that his own party turned him out.

    The US is, reluctantly, recognizing the results as valid. Worrisome that Brazil does not. Strange... as the Honduran Constitution was followed to the letter, with the ONE vagary being it doesnt call for ousted Executive to be kicked out of the country.
    Doesnt say he CANT be, though.
    - -- - -- - - -
    I originally titled post:
    'Honduras votes Libertarian'
    They of course did no such thing.

    It wasnt a plebiscite on socialism, nor did it signify a mandate to the new Conservative government.
    It was a vote for their constitution and government accountability... to wit: No authoritarians!
  6. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    RE: Honduras votes Democracy

    how exactly are we recognizing the election results as valid "reluctantly?" What was our statement?
  7. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Sep 13, 2007
    Good for Honduras. Glad to see that country is free of Zelaya - he was a bully and a criminal and got what he deserved.

    I certainly dont know the whole foreign relations saga, but I never really understood why the US didnt support the Honduran people more during this debacle.
  8. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Re: RE: Honduras votes Democracy

    From the voa news on reaction from State Dept:
    It's a good thing the people of Honduras have US to speak for them.. otherwise they might think they had done it themselves when they went to vote.

    I'm sure Washington Intellectuals have a deeper knowledge of what's right and proper than their two political parties, who both seem fine with the results, having set the direction toward healing.
    Mmmm ...perhaps if Bolivia and Venezuela sent in 'consultants' to help them get over these difficult days..

    Here's theReport to Congress on the removal.

    Apparently, the 'Impeachment' clause of the Constitution had been previously removed. One would assume it was to avoid shenanigans by an opposition party. That means the only way it could be justified would be for the congress and Courts to agree. And that's what happened.
  9. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Huck: too Little, Too Late

    Huckabee apologizes on O'Reilly show
    You indeed COULD have known, in fact you were begged to not let him out.

    A sociopath is a sociopath and will say anything, in fact fake sincere remorse, because he has no sense of guilt.

    You're toast, Duka.. I mean Huck.
  10. FFC24

    FFC24 New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    I wish we would stay out of Central American politics. what the fuck right do we have to reluctantly do anything in Honduras?

    Further, it really doesn't matter what party is elected in any central American country. All of them are a bunch of thugs. All of them. I was getting really tired of the left defending Zalaya. Fuck him. He doesn't deserve my support. He was a bully as Maureen pointed out. Porfirio Soda is going to be no better.

    Sorry, but anywhere south of the border annoys the fuck out of me. Rant over.
  11. FFC24

    FFC24 New Member

    Jan 6, 2005
    What did Huckabee apologize for?
  12. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Pardoning the guy who shot those four cops.
  13. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
  14. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    Actually, from what I read, the AK pardons board and others associated with the case were unanimous in their recommendations for clemency. It's one of the "dangers" of having a Baptist minister in a position where he can exercise mercy. The man convinced everyone that he had found a rebirth of life through Jesus. What was Mike to do? Say, NO, it is not possible for someone to turn his life around? Of course, if the guy had said that he'd turned his life around because of the teachings of Muhammed, we're not having this conversation.

    Good to see, by the way, that you've come around to my way of thinking about "penal reform." I've always felt that

    1. prisons teach violent criminals how to become more successful violent criminals.
    2. violent criminals should be separated from society, SO
    3. I think that anyone over the age of 17 who is convicted of any crime where violence is involved or threatened should spend the rest of his life in prison without parole. This includes murderers, rapists, armed robbers, and a guy who doesn't like you looks in a bar and punches you in the nose. It also includes the guy who you just rearended who takes his tire iron to your hood. It also includes the guy who was awakened from a good night's sleep by a drunk singing on his lawn and goes out and kicks him in the ass. NO PAROLE; NO APPEAL; LIFE FOR ALL OF THEM

    I'm saying that you obviously agree with that since you said

    And since it's difficult -- if not impossible -- to determine who really HAS seen the error of his ways as opposed to a sociopath who's working the system, I say, let the man or woman who raises a fist, a knife, a gun gets no second chances. Glad we agree on something, finally.
  15. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy Active Member

    Jul 9, 2008
    The Beach, For Now
    Hey petty, check it out! I got a letter from Joe Biden!!

    Christian --

    Last night, President Obama laid out his plan to defend our national interest by refocusing our efforts on three clear goals: defeating al Qaeda, stabilizing Pakistan, and breaking the Taliban's momentum in Afghanistan.

    To achieve these goals, the President has authorized the rapid deployment of 30,000 more troops in Afghanistan, with a firm commitment to begin bringing our troops home in 2011.

    It's a clean break from the failed Afghanistan policy of the Bush administration, and a new, focused strategy that can succeed.

    Please take a moment to watch the President's address to the nation and read more about his plan.

    Our new strategy ends the era of blank checks for Afghanistan's leaders, facilitates a responsible transition to Afghan security forces, and begins bringing our troops home in 2011.

    Please take a moment to listen to President Obama outline his plan -- and pass this along to anyone you know who wants to learn more:

    Thank you,

    Vice President Joe Biden
  16. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    heh... nice snark, Don.

    Just to make it clear to the rest of you... no, we dont actually know any more about what Don thinks on the subject than we did before.

    Now, here's the thing. A Governor has to take into account MORE than what the Parole Board recommends.
    Continuous violent episodes during and after trial and in prison, right UP to...
    The facts in the background pointed strongly toward the guy actually BEING a sociopath. Despite, or maybe BECAUSE of, a background as a Baptist minister, one has to look at more than second chance conversions.

    I really have some sympathy for Huck. He made the 'hard decisions' on paroles, and he got caught out twice.

    Hell... that even happened in Texas when they were downsizing their prisons.
    Knowing it's happened before and is likely to happen again doesnt help the families of the incidental victims, though.
    - - - -- - - - -- - - -

    Umm what's your point WB?
    I get emails from practically everybody in the DSCC and DNC all the time.
  17. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy Active Member

    Jul 9, 2008
    The Beach, For Now
    You mean.....I...I'm...not speciall!!!
  18. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Brooks, Niebuhr, Heller and Me

    So, this morning I cruise my favorite blogs and I see HotAir posts a short link tease:
    NYT: Brooks talking about Obama and Niebuhr again
    - BTW, that's an interesting piece on the Afghan surge decision. I dont agree that it's a sign of 'good analysis'. Good analysis wouldnt have taken so long, but whatever. The Pres should have made the decision quicker and addressed the political spin later.

    So.. I click on it and there's nothing about Reinhold Niebuhrin there.

    But, evidently, Brooks had previously compared Obama to Niebuhr's precepts, and the wording of the link was a jab at him.
    For good reason because the UCofC, adopted his early views. Obama was UCofC radical.
    But Niebuhr got more real in his later years.

    So.. wait for it.. I go out to have a smoke and I flash on Joseph Heller and his magnum opus, Catch 22.

    Yeah.. THAT'S MY Niebuhr!
    Now, what's the connection?

    Many regard Catch-22 as the greatest anti-war novel of the mid 20th century. Including the intellectual drones at the Beeb.There's indications that Heller even came to believe that.

    Bullshit! Here's a clue folks:

    In fact, it's an indictment on self-serving authority mucking up society.


    And you cant get any better example {to name one, though the news is full of it} than the Climate Change Believers, and specifically the East Anglia CRU.
    And ALGoreacle is General Dreedle. Or Milo Minderbinder. Cant decide which.
    The point is that I, having seen elements of the theme in my young life, first at school, then the Navy, I realized what Heller was about. Even if he didnt. It was delicious when I got in conversations about Viet Nam with people who were Anti-Viet Nam war. They said it proved Catch 22.
    I agreed.
    Then they went off on the wrong tangent; Blaming the military.

    Just like some others about Niebuhr.. just like David Brooks. The get him wrong.

    So.. you wwondered where I got MY political Idealogy? Now you know.
  19. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    RE: Brooks, Niebuhr, Heller and Me

    Thanks, Maureen, for your thoughtful post.
  20. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Cooking the books for your own good

    in Climate Change only goes along with everything that rabble rousers like Glenn Beck have been warning about for the duration.

    The evidence is everywhere but there's no better description of the hubris of our elected than this essay on HotAir:
    The First Sign of Corruption

    Here's the key excerpts:

    The question that will inevitably be asked of the 'Progressives' will go begging for an answer.
    'How did these private sector crooks get where they are.. and where will they go when there is no real 'Private Sector'?

    The answer is obvious, thus will be ignored. The whipping block of Enron and Worldcom accounting scandals and the Mortgage Hedge funds debacle ignores the obvious. These could never have happened without collusion by the public sector.
    To think this will change - or not get worse!- when everyone is a public servant?!!!!
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