pettyfog prattles..

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by pettyfog, Sep 23, 2009.

  1. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy Active Member

    Jul 9, 2008
    The Beach, For Now
    I have to say, quarantining off your ramblings really was a stroke of genius proportions on your part and by your standards. Well done!
  2. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Thanks... I thought you'd get the idea.

    As usual... it appears my viewpoints confuse and/or rattle your comfort zone.
    added: Well, THAT wasnt fair. I'm used to seeing you snark. You didnt.

    If you DO have an opinion on anything concerning the future of the country, you're more than welcome to start your own thread.

    None of us on here can do anything to actually INFLUENCE views and events.. all we can do is maybe trigger a thought process or two.

    And point out that the elite and informed maybe aint all that!
  3. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    "I personally hope the President fails." -- Rush Limbaugh

    Sorry, 'fog. I try as hard as I can, and I still don't think that's funny. I really MUST be devoid of a sense of humor.
  4. FulhamAg

    FulhamAg New Member

    Apr 5, 2008
    San Antonio, Texas
    I got you beat there, just ask Mo. Not my fault though, apparently it's some sort of Aggie thing.

    To the quote you referenced. Of course you get it. It's less about the man than the man's policy. If he did something you were opposed to, why on Earth would you wish it to be successful?
  5. timmyg

    timmyg Well-Known Member

    Nov 20, 2006
    I enjoyed it like three years ago but LGF has become completely unreadable.

    I think that good blogs and websites aren't ones you agree with, but ones that have direction and make you think.

    Now, CJ just lambastes other conservative blogs's...comments.

  6. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005

    I see you fall squarely into the target audience.. well nothing new there.

    Here's what he said in context: "I personally hope the President fails......."
    He spent one who hour replaying the original byte and fighting off the crapola.

    Of course you can be excused. Under the 'fake but accurate' rule.
  7. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    From Russia with Love..

    .. or something.

    Pravda: The American Self Immolation, Truly a Sight to See

    Also see: Marx Predicted Collapse of US Dollar in 1857
    - Of course, that's a teaser.. article has nothing on the 'prediction'. And if it did, that would probably fall into the 'how-to' genre on capitalist decay.

    OTOH, on the same site, opinion on Russia protecting itself from Georgia with a preemptive nuke strike... {still paranoid after all these years}

    After all the laying back and watching... it occurs to me that what's happening now is inevitable. There's no way to finally kill the idea of the World Socialist Order than for US to try it.
    Kruschev was right that our own system would take us down... but he was wrong in the final outcome. We wont stay down.

    We're sorta playing CandyLand for real. And it wont take long for most people to wake up..
  8. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Evil Corporatism Fools Congressional Elite

    Credit-card issuers raise interest rates, tack on fees ahead of new law

    Gasp.. who knew!
    So... Chris Dodd's Laws of 'Unintended Consequences' strikes again.

    I mean if he werent elected over and over for so many years I might think the man is a blooming idiot.
  9. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Newt coalesces the base

    Read the comments on Newt's site after he endorses Hoffman in NY 23. 'A day late' and several hundred thousand dollars for Dede short!

    Wow.. just WOW!

    He's got some serious 'splainin' to do, Lucy!
  10. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    You exactly right. Otherwise no one would know about that race, the entire point is that the party was more concerned with gaining a seat the easy way than setting a standard that the people want. That's what the Tea Parties are all about , no one is listening to the GOP voter. there was widespread talk of dissent in the selection process. That is the committee vote was rigged.
    Mitt Romney stayed away, I dont think that will help him much. Dunno if Huck endorsed or not. But Newt caught the flak because he endorsed without thinking about it or examining her positions which were to the very outside wall of the GOP tent. As he says in his site posting:

    I'm thinking all Dede had to do was say she would vote against Card Check and say she thought the stimulus package didnt work, in hindsight.

    Whatever, she wasted no time in supporting her former rival, most of her staff as well.
    The point is not whether Hoffman wins, he may be a real putz in the end. But that conservative voters felt they were ignored
  11. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Short answer, Spencer:
    So there!
    In fact, the voter ID as GOP has been dropping like a rock. Now... are you REALLY puking out the same reason as the DNC that it's because the GOP Congress is trying to stop Obama's programs?

    How about looking at the polls where voter ID is 'As conservative' v 'liberal'?**
    I have a particular personal problem, if I advocate stuff like this, I run the danger of having people like you put me in the same box as Paul and Buchanan. I dont want them, and I dont advocate for them, never mind how much of their platform/position I agree with. But I'm not going to say I'll vote leftist if they endorse a conservative candidate.

    I f you really gave a fuck about 'democracy' you would at least understand what happened. those people no longer consider themselves Republican. Because it was GOP power politics that caused the problem in the first place. YOUR initial remarks blaming the party show you DONT really understand it.

    do you REALLY advocate Card Check? is that good for 'democracy'? I advocated the original Stimulus/bail out. I dont have a problem saying I was wrong. And neither should anyone else.
    Why is 'populism' bad for GOP and good for Dems?

    Why dont you address Palin's record before she was on the ticket? Can you find anything that makes you believe she changed her working political views?

    Why dont you get out of that 'hot-house' you're in and visit the REAL world. People are scared. Even those who voted for the Dems are disgusted with what is happening.
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  12. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    MSM Dumass of the Week

    In an article of possible curbing of Oil futures Trading Limits, Genius ABC Junior Reporter, Rich Blake:
    Yeah.. Free Marketer; in the proud tradition of John D Rockefeller I
  13. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    What I meant was your POV, which just may be the academic side in which theory figures largely.

    Just to clear things up; the time for compromise is AFTER the elections, not before. What is supposed to happen is that the differentiation occurs before and during the campaign. AFTER the election, you look at the situation and determine where to pick the fight, and where to compromise.

    Talk about 'purity'! You advocate compromising to gain the seat in the first place. You dont want conservative voices to have a say?

    What do you do or say when Leftist carpetbaggers descend into conservative states and districts... do you protest? What did you do or say when Frankens bunch kept drilling the recount until it went the way they wanted? you DO realize that the historic paradigm was Incumbent gets benefit of the doubt, right?

    No... the problem isnt with Tea Party people YET.
    The problem is the Republicans have too many people like you. I dont want you in it, at all. Because YOU {rhet} are why Party ID is 20%.

    If you have the core values you state {looks to me more like IMPLY, though}, then I want you in the Democratic Party because then you may wake up and help move your party back toward the Liberal Center.
    Because, theoretically, you'll look at the individuals and issues at Election time and make your choice, on secret ballot.
    That's what I do. That's how I helped boot out Repubs, Sen Dewine and Governor Taft, They did not represent MY conservative/liberal views.

    That, my friend, is DEMOCRACY.

    This country cannot stand a permanent third party. We would have to go to the Parliamentary system. I want 2 party differentiation, and I dont want splinter groups continually holding us hostage on key national interests.
  14. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    Give it up, Spencer. He's going to continue to purposely misunderstand and misrepresent what you say. He's going to continue to harangue you for defending things you didn't defend. He's going to continue to pull in all sorts of tangentially related/barely related/unrelated statements to prove that you are an unwitting tool of somebody or other.

    Finally, he'll continue to discount anything you say because you are educated and are continuing to pursue education. Pettyfog lives in a black and white world where there are True Believers and The Impure. If you don't recognize the world in those terms, it WON'T BE because things are more complex, or there are more arguments to consider. IT WILL BE because you are an unwitting tool, a liar, and an idiot. College will always be the target of people like this because college is a place you go to have your perceptions challenged. Those of us who actually attended college and completed a degree while we were there, know this.

    Those of us who didn't just resent those of us who did, and there are plenty of folks out there to fan that resentment into a "reality" that there are only two types of people: US and the stupid/terrorist/traitor/sheep.
  15. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Actually Don knows better than everything he said about me above, but he will continue to distort what I say.

    Because it interferes with his personal political viewpoints which evidently are complicated as he criticized dubya for most of what our pres is doing now but we dont know WHY.

    My points on issues have been stated over and over.
    I believe votes have consequences, the current congress and President were legally elected {almost all of them, anyway} and it's up to us to deal with it.
    Don however remains silent on these key issues... I hope that someday it will be re3vealed exactly which 'box' he fits in.

    Till then he will continue to berate me rather than address any issue I speak on. Such as Card Check , though he previously stated he thought that it was 'nothing'.
    I have to put a dot in the check box on that one.
  16. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    I don't have any problem with any of your political positions or your expression of them. When you talk about world affairs or domestic political affairs, you often provide a lot of quality information, that I appreciate. I've followed most of your links on these posts, and often move on to links provided on the pages YOU'VE linked.

    I DO have a lot of problems with how you denigrate people whose opinions aren't 100% exactly like yours. I used to think that you don't know how to play nicely, but now I think that this is how you believe political discourse should work:

    1. You state your opinion
    2. Somebody doesn't agree with 100% of it
    3. You trash that person's opinions, independence, and intellect.

    I don't post about things political, because I don't believe your method is how issues should be discussed. I tired of the whole process and left the field to you. Spencer has a stronger gag reflex than I do, evidently.
  17. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    I beg to differ, of course. I do not denigrate Spencer's positions. I WILL take issue with how important they are in a world view. And perhaps how they square with reality.

    And I dont automatically cast aspersions at 'educated/ informed' As I've pointed out in the past, I have a LOW opinion of the Legal Profession in general, and YET Most of my favorite blogs are written by practicing attorneys and Law Professors.

    My favorite targets among those who consider themselves educated and informed ARE, however, those who majored in journalism and Liberal Arts baccalaureates and above which make themselves pretenders to intellectualism, because 'they can quote Voltaire in French'. Not to mention the odd globetrotting Word Mechanic.

    Which has nothing to do with anything on here but sticks in my mind as the height of supercilious elitism, if you get my drift.

    Here's my point.. the problem is that too many people are used to letting the 'experts' figure out the hard issues and dont speak up even when those who supposedly speak for them, posit differently than the average Joe has observed in the real world.
    - I'll put a point on it. Go to one of the remaining operating GM plants and ask onna those old grizzled union member assembly line workers what they think of Card Check. You might have to point out that signing the card is a vote for the union, -not a vote for a vote- but once they understand that.. well.. they have seen unions up close and personal all their lives. I speak btw as one who, early on, had carried four different national union cards.

    It would truly help us understand each other if those who DO claim to have informed opinions on the bigger issues in geo-politick EXPLAINED to us hoi-polloi where we err in our judgements.

    That was Dubya's problem. He didnt react to those bashing him in the media, with explanations. Now we have the opposite case. But the summary of those SEEMS to be 'Just Shut Up'.
  18. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Watchdog Requiem

    Here's what we should be aiming for in journalism and opinion..TRUTH & JUSTICE!
    I admire Balko and because he now admires the late Pete Shellem, him too.

    Death of a Watchdog

    Read it all.. a remarkable guy!
  19. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    RE: Watchdog Requiem

    a remarkable guy indeed, and a loss.

    I can understand why he was comfortable staying in Harrisburg. It's a much nicer place than Washington DC.
  20. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    NY 23 aftermath

    everybody got what they wanted, according to spin.
    dont believe what Chris Matthews said about it, even if he does believe it.

    -I heard his shorts were sticky. OTOH KO was in the mens john crying.


    The bottom line -AGAIN- is now the Dems own those positions. And Spencer, Rush said yesterday what I said in too many words:

    "What good is a big empty tent."
    -Spector and Colin Powell were not chased out.

    "Why are the DNC and DSCC so concerned with GOP diversity?"

    Nope... I really believe the RNC got the message. And the locals cant say they were carpetbagged.

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    Oh, by the way.. the MSM spin is that the results hurt the GOP which is now in disarray...

    Oh, yeah? Then why is MoveOn blizzarding midstates Dem congress critturs about toeing the party line .
    Nah... it's the Dems who are panicking now, EVERYTHING's back on the table.
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