More bad things for Lefties to think about!

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by pettyfog, Jan 5, 2007.

  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Contrast one with the other:

    Maoist guerillas, on the brink of achieving effective government power in the Himalayan kingdom, have turned their attention to so-called "social pollutants" and denounced homosexuals


    Former senior Pentagon officials suggest revisit of DADT

    Note that socialists will align with anyone to get what they want... and once they do, will 'impose' propriety for the good of the masses.

    - while- the decadent western way of doing things is to take it slow and allow people to acclimate.

    Now... think Islamists and Sharia.

    It's obvious to me, but evidently not a lot of 'your type', that leftists think they can let society go to hell then ride in to the rescue... that's how they've generally done it everywhere.

    But it aint gonna happen... because the islamo-fascists dont believe in 'Siberia', they just lop off heads.

    Have a nice day you leftist idiots!
  2. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    I think you may have exceeded your previous mark for "full-of-crap looniness" with this post. There's absolutely nothing in there that makes the slightest bit of sense of follows any recognizable form of logic.
  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Interesting you dont see the connection.

    So.... tell me... do you consider yourself a 'lefty' or socialist, then?

    How about taking the two separately... got a comment on either of them?
  4. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    Yes, I consider myself a lefty, but since I work in corporate America and since I WAS a small business for several years before that, I'm hardly a socialist. As a matter of fact, there isn't any socialism that I'd recognize as such anywhere in the world at the present time. But then, I consider socialism as an economic philosophy, not a big rock to throw at people who disagree with me.

    Having said that, Maoists are hardly socialists. Maoists aren't interested in reforming the economic system to help rid society of slums, drunkenness, child labor, and wage slavery. Maoists are interested in the same thing that all fascists are interested in -- control of society through behavorial management backed up by force. Yes, Petty, there's no real difference between Nazis and Stalinists -- they're equally right wing. Serious political scientists -- you know, the one's that DON'T appear on Rush's or Bill-Os shows -- have been calling the former Stalinist and Maoist forms "Red Fascism" for years.

    You seem to have as one of your core beliefs that it is the aim of liberals for society to go into the dumper so that they can save it through government control. Let me respond to that succinctly: You're Wrong.

    Finally, in addition to believing that Islamic radicals are Fascists, if I follow your so-called logic trail they are also socialists. That would mean that in addition to wanting to destroy western models and establish a military dictatorship in which big government and big industry merge to control society, they also want to form a society where the excesses of big industry are curtailed in an effort to empower the disadvantaged members of that society. A neat trick for anyone -- especially for a member of a "minority religion still hopelessly stuck in the 11th century."

    The problem is, that words like liberal, conservative, fascist, and socialist actually have real meanings that have nothing to do with how you and "your type" like to use them -- as epithets to try to denigrate someone whose opinion differs from yours.

    And, finally, here's something that I would really like you to consider. There is no list of 3000 things that all Liberals must blindly believe in. And because there's no list, there's no list for us to sign on to. A shocking concept: All liberals don't support the same causes, or even believe in them. The best way to find out what a liberal believes in is to ask. But then, that wouldn't work either, because you'd have to listen. And that generally falls outside the skill set of "your type."

    The short version of this mini-essay can be seen in my first response.
  5. Tony_USA

    Tony_USA New Member

    Feb 5, 2005
    Fort Wayne, Indiana
    Well, I'm right handed - so I cannot be a leftist, I must be a rightest. Does that mean I must be right all the time?

    Joking apart - no seriously - nope I didn't get the link in the original post.

    But one thing that does play on my mind is this simplistic Left and Right bit.
    It seems that most commentators like to divide the world into two opposite sides. If I am a Socilaist, I am a Leftie, if I am not a Socialist, then I must be a Fascist, Ooops, Conservative. If I am then on the right, as - from what I hear in the States are the GoP - then they must agree with the Fascist party of Germany in the 30's. Now I'm really stumped with this simplistic model, because this line means that the Current administration of the UK and the US align themselves with Hitler, and dislikes all the Democrats, who they call Lefties. BUT. The ruling Labor party in the UK are, generally considered, a Lefty party, so does that mean, as the UK and US administrations work so closely together in democracizing other Countries, that either the Labor Party is now Right wing, or the GoP is Left wing. Or do you think, just possibly, that all the left/right, Socialist/Fascist divides are not really so present in this world as we live today and therefore, spouting about lefties or left-wingers is simply covering up the fact the writer actually doesn't have any real idea as to what he/she is writing about and further has no suggestions either as to how to improve it.

    Just a musing from a leftie-bearing, pseudo-Fascist conservative Socialist, who has even less undeertsanding of the political world than he did 5 minutes ago.
  6. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    love it; love it; love it!

    Now, THATs a coherent logic trail! Thanks, Tony.
  7. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    If you have ADD, skip to the next post

    And you call me confusing!

    Another issue you make, I'll query it and you all wont ever answer:

    Leftist and Socialist are in the same wing... YES or NO?!!!!

    Now if you actually admit that... then I have to bend your minds a little and point out that governmental Politics is a circle, not a one-dimensional BAR.

    Can you see that?

    What I am saying is that Fascists want control of the whole of society. They are the opposite of what might be called Libertarian. Extreme Socialists want the same..THEY would ALSO be the opposite of 'libertarian' would they not?

    I suppose, though, the difference is that most fascists dont bother lying about being so 'by the will of the masses'

    What I am saying is that Communism, which is the neatest label to use, never gets installed unless a nation is in chaos. It's the left's agenda to put the worst face on any issue, and continually beat the drums on it, in order to make the public think everything is in chaos.
    Of COURSE the right does the same... but unless you go to the extreme ends, you dont find the absolutist mantras.

    Now... here's the point: Pure Libertarianism will not work, it relies on personal self-interest coinciding with societal self-interest and that lends to chaos, right?

    On the apposite, Fascism and Communism - both anti free-market and free-expression- dont work either because they control all aspects of society.

    And you dont prove that by 'theory' you prove that by looking at where it has applied in history.

    IOW, if there is no autocracy, then society is in flux, politically, and that's more healthy than absolutism, right?

    Can we agree on those points?

    Go out slightly from center you'll find factual stuff which can be debated.

    Go out farther, you get stuff like ..oh.. BusHitler.. Bush Lied ... Bush is ruining the country with his border policies**

    And as far as Bush and Blair being the 'Odd Couple' I dont think that's exactly factual.
    It's become increasingly clear that Bush is NO conservative, no matter where the Press wants to put him.

    That doesnt mean he's a fascist, either.... no matter where he puts the national security priority.
    - on the similar subject-
    I keep trying to point out what is to me the OPTOMISTIC view of the Democratic win in 06 but none of you seem to get it...WHY IS THAT!

    Have any of you noticed I dont rant and rail about China's growing influence?

    Why do you think that is? After all, they are 'communist'.. so why aint I anti-China?!!

    Because of the DIRECTION they are going in.. they're no longer Maoist in case you havent noticed. And the middle class there are growing in such a fashion they'll never be turned back.
    Contrast that with the last bastions of Stalinistic nationalism, North Korea and Cuba.

    What do those two have in common with Fascist governemnt?

    {BTW does anyone KNOW whether Pinochet had his mug and Party symbols plastered all over every common area in Chile?}

    I know that's rambling a lot... but some of you guys wont address the simple stuff either; if you want to quibble over whether leftist can be equated with socialist, there's no hope!

    ** I think I know why that is, but I dont suppose you are interested in why Dubya REALLY wants a lot of hispanics in the US, long-run.
    Sorta related to this!
  8. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2005
    Now...let me back to the original point I was making.

    Gays in the military will soon be allowed to be OPENLY GAY because those who have to deal with the issue on a daily basis will be comfortable with it.

    Opposed to being forced into acceptance by judicial or legislative 'fiat': "We know what's best for you!"
    On the second reference:
    Marxist types, who are absolutist/fascist, who gain control THEN turn on their former 'free-thinking' allies, in this case homosexuals, because of 'Social Ideals'

    Does that or does that not happen EVERY TIME?
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