MLB Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by SoCalJoe, Jan 22, 2019.

  1. SoCalJoe

    SoCalJoe Well-Known Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    Walnut, CA

    Mariano Rivera becomes first unanimous HoF’er, beating Ken Griffey Jr 437 out of 440 votes, which begs the question. Did the three No voters for Junior immediately get stripped of their privilege? :rolleyes:

    Very happy for Edgar Martinez, one of the best pure hitters of his era.,
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  2. jumpkutz

    jumpkutz Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2011
    Louisville, KY
    I guess Rivera just didn’t piss anybody off. I don’t have a problem with any of the new inductees. All deserving and worthy. I DO still have a problem with Peter Edward Rose not being in. Considering the blackballing of the steroid era sluggers (McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro,, Pete’s indiscretions pale in comparison. It’s time to pardon the man and put him where he belongs...BEFORE he departs this life (he’s 77, by the way, and so far as I know, in good health).
  3. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    Respectfully disagree ... Rose bet against teams he managed. That's a whole different kettle of fish.
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  4. BarryWhite

    BarryWhite Well-Known Member

    Sep 24, 2011
    Newburgh, IN
    Respectfully disagree that anyone can confirm Rose bet against his teams. It has certainly been proven that he bet on baseball and on his teams to win but I've never seen it reported that he bet against his teams with furnished proof. He was a great player with a bad habit. Stand in whichever line you like regarding Rose getting into the Hall of Fame but I would rather see Rose in before any of the steroid users whose crimes against baseball impacted every game they ever played in juiced. Just for the record I am not a fan of Pete Rose. Personally because of his ties to organized crime I would leave him out of the Hall or put him in twice. Once as a player and once in whatever wing they want to designate as the Hall of Shame.

    USA Today
    "The full story explains that Rose bet, bet big, and bet often on sporting events and lost as much as $25,500 in a single week in March. There’s no evidence that he bet against his own team, but he placed his wagers with a bookie with ties to organized crime."

    Outside the Lines
    "The documents obtained by Outside the Lines, which reflect betting records from March through July 1986, show no evidence that Rose, who was a player-manager in 1986, bet against his team. "

    Kansas City Star
    John Dowd, who investigated claims of Rose's gambling in the 1980s, told ESPN in 2007 that Rose did not bet on all Reds games in 1987. He didn't wager when when Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson pitched.
  5. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Mar 18, 2006
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    Well, let's put it this way, when you bet on your team to win some games -- but not all -- then you're telling gamblers how to bet. It is betting against by inference.

    Point 1: in every clubhouse at every level of professional baseball, there is a sign saying that betting on baseball will get you banned for life. Rose saw this sign many thousands of times and considered himself above that law. He wasn't innocently making a mistake; he was violating perhaps THE basic standard of conduct in the game.

    Point 2: the Hall of Fame is a privately-owned organization and is not part of MLB. They're not answerable to the fans or to the sportswriters.

    Point 3: there exists in each state a maximum number of times that a person can be convicted of driving while impaired and still maintain his license. After that, he's through. Rose violated the betting prohibition at least several hundred times. Surely that should be enough to bar him.

    Point 4: he's kind of an asshat, so
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