Iran: There's going to be war.

I really hope this type of thinking is the minority... you deflect logic with bullshit.

 

Smokin's logic:

PF:

Look... you dont get to get away with that, you have TWO choices to answer my question...

1. Yeah... just keep talking. The other side might die or something.

2. I dont know

For purposes of THIS discussion you dont get to trot out 'sanctions' or some bullshit like that.

 

9/11 barely makes a blip? Islamic terrorism has killed thousands of peoples' live. When 40 people are blown up in Iraq it is directly because of Islamic terrorism.

I've never said or written that "terrorism" or "Islamic terrorism" is the greatest threat we face.... but it is a "great threat". 9/11 must be taken seriously. Saddam Hussein wanting wmd must be taken seriously. Dictatorships around the world must be taken seriously. That may mean war or doing nothing, but unfortunately war sometimes has to happen. This won't ever change.

France was an example of a well-intentioned invasion. Organized killing at its best. German soldiers in France simply had to be killed so that they would be compelled to leave France. Horrible and disgusting, but also wonderful.

 

Re: RE: Iran: State makes smart move.

Smokin' is correct. I am referring to all the places we have state sponsored "diplomasists".

 

Re: RE: Iran: There

Spencer, we've all been guilty of being a little contradictory. If it had not been for my seemingly sane three (yes, the toll has now reached three) brothers, I probably wouldn't have even noticed the contradiction in what you said. BTW, I happen to agree with you and think that the 911 conspirators are nut jobs. I now find myself slowly wading my way through their acuasations. I have yet to hear one that I believe is significant. Sorry I missed the 911 thread; I would have found it interesting and it might have helped me in my discussions with them.

 

Admiral Fallon: Let Diplomacy Take Its Course

For those who are sure Dubya's rushing into it, headlong..

The base article link is to the Financial Times... but, unless you have a subscription, might as well do with the CQ blog article.

 

Iran latest

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071114/ap_ ... clear_iran

Here's the latest;

If they're starting to crumble this early on things are looking up. Ahmadiadlhalfkaweird has enacted some typically socialist like economical measures and they have of course back fired, the economy is in the dumps. I don't know the specifics of the proposed sanctions, but I doubt if Ahmadiadhdsafkweird and the guys who really run the country are eager for more economic hardship.

Although I'm sure those of you out there who wish the sequel, SHOCK AND AWE 2, SMART BOMBS OVER TEHRAN!!, were already underway will greet any news of diplomatic progress as bad news.

 

Dont be Snarky now...

It wont be shock'n'awe...

Here's a couple points:

The warhead blueprints..
"Oh, MY! How do THEY get there?!""""

good thing they handed them over so now they wont know how to shape a warhead, huh?. Boy that's a load off!

Want me to give you a link to EL Baradei saying there was no reason to think Iran was going for weapons? Just a few months ago.

And of course he was pissed off that he had no idea about the korean nukes that Israel just took out in Syria.

 

What was it they were 'making up' Don... and how does that refute anything?

Be careful how you frame it. you know what I always say: 'Everything's Connected'.

Hate to point out the seams in your arguments are unraveling*. You MIGHT want to read that closer and read what I posted above.

* Actually, I wouldnt hate it.. but just like to give a bud an even chance.

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And KUDOS to Dubya... I watched the end of that press conference this morning and he really laid into the moron press who suggest that 'there's no need to worry, then'

Bout time he grew some cojones.. or let 'em drop anyway.

 

Now.. how does that NIE report affect my opinion?

It is OBVIOUSLY encouraging. Means that we MIGHT have another 5 years.

Oh, wait.. That would put the time frame about December 2012..

Hmmmm.. never mind!

 

Wouldn't want you to compromise your position there, P-Fog. If you are going to charge up the hill, as you have been advocating, don't give an inch.

Why wait until 2012? The election is next year.

 

Did I give the impression I ADVOCATE 'charging up the hill'? Save me time..point it out.
What I advocate is letting things work out, as they will anyway, without ascribing and projecting preliminary 'blame'

Your snark aside..
You need to broaden your curiosity about World History, civilizations, and events a LOT!!!

I'm not going to post 'alarmist' stuff here.

 

The entire premise of your argument, then, is that there is little to no danger to our society from radical Islam.

You are wrong.. all the evidence says you're wrong. But since you wont admit that, then there's no further argument.

For you to imply that I am 'anti-muslim' is contrary to what I have posted, more than just once.

There is NO way that 'militant Islam' will 'win'.. but it MUST be Muslims themselves that defeat it. Otherwise all that 'non-muslims' can do is kill a lot of them {this WILL happen and in the streets, NOT some battleground}. Which WILL NOT defeat them, as should be evident from all past and recent events.

 

Don -

You've listed all the 'connections' that the policy of this administration have made in order to destroy the identity of this country.

PFog is record (397 - 0) on this forum and not even reality can threaten that record. Who cares what the intelligence professionals say!!? The White House just GREW BALLS! HAPPY DAY!!

YOU TELL 'EM GW!! HOW DARE THE PRESS ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION!!!

What I'm confused about is why he reacted that way at all to that question? It was meatball and his response seemed to knock it out of the park... well at least for the PFog cult and his followers.

Its over... Bush doesnt get his legacy, I think he's doomed to being the worst president ever... EVER.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congr ... 040506.htm

just a prediction made buy one...

I wish this report came out between debates... I hope they REask the questions about war with IRAN... everyone looks pretty stupid now.

 

my impression of an intelligence director's meeting with bush:
director ("d"): i have some new information on iran.
bush ("b"): that's cool. what did you have for lunch? you know, they hate our freedom.
d: i had pizza, what about you?
b: chicken, it was good. islamofacists want to put a mushroom cloud in san francisco.
d: did you want to know what new info i have on iran?
b: i'm the decider and i decide that nothing on iran changes.
d: don't you want to hear what new info has been discovered?
b: back in the day, i could get all the cocaine i needed for $20...my daughter tells me it costs upwards of $150 now...

the president sounded like a complete buffoon, who can barely speak above a 10th grade level and sounded like a deer in the headlights until he mentioned "nukes" and "iran" and then the thought of the apocolypse perked him up a little.

i will never get beyond the fact he is a feckin' idiot...and the legacy admission policies of our ivy league schools are finally showing in the level of competence demonstrated in the current white house administration.

oceania was at war with eurasia, therefore oceania had always been at war with eurasia...

 

Well stated, Smokin'. And yes, Don managed to frame my near response to P-Fog very appropriately.

 

I'm going to gently say this...

Your {rhetorical} vestigial BDS is showing.

The NIE requires one to think about the quality of our intelligence, especially considering the track record of the various agencies and how they weight their sources. Especially when compared to the last one.. which 'wasnt sure' there WAS a Nuke program. This one says there WAS, but it was stopped in 2003. WTF happened in 2003? Huh? Seems ANOTHER sponsor nation stopped theirs in 2003.
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If you are going to give a pass to idiot press questions, then I think I have the right to treat you the same as I would them, right?

Let's comment on Helen Thomas if you insist on that. Every effing ONE of her questions is framed in an anti-war position statement. The fact the press corps sits her front and center in the briefing room says all that needs be said.

If there was a Clinton in office and she did that, they would boot her out altogehter... gently of course. The WH has finally got some backbone and Dubya is ignoring her altogether when he has an important topic.
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DONT accuse me of being 'anti-Islam', unless you are able to point out where I posted 'Anti-Muslim' sentiments... criticizing their views, or their actions or their postulations is NOT the same.

While I think Islam is illegitimate in its practice and interpretation, I wont paint all muslims with the same brush
In fact, I am ALSO anti-papist. By that, I refer to the basic organization and practice of the Vatican and the concept that certain of the Pope's pronouncements are 'Infallible'.
But I wont criticize a catholic for his faith in it.... I'll defend him as long as that faith doesnt cause harm to others in its practice.

One more time.. it is ONLY Muslims that can put an end to terror by radicals in their midst.