IOWA GOP "debate"

Arrggghhh... I had forgot and just stumbled on it 20 minutes ago.

It's the BEST so far... hard questions asking 'HOW'.. going good.

CNN will be shamed!

 

RE: IOWA GOP debate on now

Alan KEYES is a schmuck!

Dammit.. declare when everyone else does and get some support to start, if you want to be treated like the rest of the candidates!

 

RE: IOWA GOP debate on now

DAMN! There's a focus group graph, coservative and moderate lines.

When Ron Paul said the first thing he'd do as president...and we know what THAT is... the lines -both of them- went off the chart.

The BOTTOM of the chart. I have never seen that happen before...so WHO is it supports him?

 

RE: IOWA GOP debate on now

Yeah, we would want to phrase this:

... as in bring the troops home from Iraq?

Thanks for the play by play fog, the focus group was 21 people, from Iowa, GREAT sampling.

63% of republicans still want us there basically forever... no surprise there...

I think 77% of Dems do too... who knows about the floaters, indies, non affiliates think... but safely its probably @ 50%.

Forget what the majority of Americans want... its Iowa who should show us the way.

I think Rudy McRomney, missed the opportunity to shake off some of Hackabees momentum... advantage Paul... he came out unattacked and unscathed. I think he'll have a good showing in Iowa simply because he has the most dedicated following... caucus style even.

Only a few more weeks left.

 

There is a replay of this on tonight at 8.30CT on good ole CSPAN 2
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Just saw a clip of McCain coming out big time against Ethanol subsides, in the IOWA DEBATE. Mucho Respect for John McCain!

 

Sorry Smokin... you can delude yourself all you want, just dont pretend that Ron Paul carries any weight with people that generally vote Republican.

And I REALLY resent the f#$42n 'seminar voters' and callers. That means people who claim to be someone or something they arent.

Including the f$##%#in Paul spammers

 

Oh... I was going to mention THAT .. you KNEW I would, right?

 

How's that? I dont see anyone inflating Kucinich or Gravel's numbers?

If I thought there was a chance these people REALLY were conservatives, or Libertarian, even Liberal-tarian types {which I fully believe Smokin' is}, I might have a different view.
Because THEN you might be able to reason with them..

....Is not a political argument.

 

C'mon, Don... if you believe that, you can produce some evidence.

Oprah dont count!

 

After watching the replay last night I have to say Ron Paul did do pretty well. No one was particularly poor, even Romney was able to sound somewhat authentic half the time.

I'm thinking if McCain or Thompson is the next president I'll be alright with that. The rest of em not so much. And I am under the feeling that for better or worse the next president will be a Republican.

 

Petty;

I thought you were smart. I was wrong.

The Polls are the biggest pile of bullshit ever... they are paid for by the parties and the candidates themselves are are opinions of filtered focus groups.

For example Mike Huckabee is a "front runner" yet has almost no money no hand and is asking for gas money just to continue his campaign. Sure the POLLS say he's doing well, but where is the support?

The polls are also taken from those who voted in the last general election. I know handfuls of folks who didnt vote for the turdsandwich OR giant dusche. So how is this accurate?

My candidate has lots of $$$ with more coming on Sunday (@ 5 million or more). Better polling numbers than McCain and Thompson, more straw poll wins than any other candidate, and is currently the only crossover candidate who attracts independents. Not to mention the swell of new Republican voters who have registered. All with the LEAST AMOUNT OF AIR TIME for top tier... thats right... candidates.

I'm ok with my position. Rudy is dropping like a stone and Romney is stagnant.

Thanks Don and spencer... pointing out reality might help fog stave off Altzheimers for a few more months.

 

Well, like I said, you can think what you want.

I know Paul's poll stats are {or should be} higher than the MSM shows. I just dont think they are as high as claimed by paulians. Straw polls and internet polls dont mean SHIT... the Paulians overreached themselves LONG ago with their auto-bot crashing and spamming.

Put it THIS way, it's hard to not like Paul's soundbites, even for me, must be much more so if you are intractably anti-war.

But when you get to the substance of his campaign, and of those who are supporting him, it's far more chilling than I am comfortable with.

 

I appreciate your permission.

Can you just elaborate on that last line though? What is chilliing? Avoiding Fascism? And don't give me a lesson on what a Fascist country is... we've been sliding that way for a long while now, and we are definately (lobbyists & corporate donors) more interested in corporate rights than individual rights. (This is why i'm not a democrat)

This is not a candidacy that will shift the United States back to 1776, just to change the tide and change attitudes... if he did get elected, more disenfranchised voters will turn out in the mid term election... then we can say that a "revolution" has started, until then I'm excited that there is a candidate who not only takes positions but is right more than half the time.

I think straw polls are an indicator of voter commitment... and it DOES matter come Caucus time.

if you think his poll number should be higher than you admit that he's a contender.

Wow the Paul Spam Bot, you've managed to bring this up a bunch of times, funny thing this was disproven months ago, but you still mention it.

Those other Republicans make me sick. Actually Tom Tancredo makes me laugh.

 

I can't find the damn quote here... but its funny how history works itsself out...

Reagan at one point called Ron Paul, "his hero" and a true republican... and in his diaries wrote that Rudy Giuliani was 'crazy'.

I grew up in the Reagan era and got into politics in high school when Bill Clinton took office...

I'm a bit too young... : )

I appreciate your post Don... you can easily point out that he is likeable and electable... and still mention he MOST likely wont get the nomination.

i accept that.

 

I'm sorry, Smokin... unlike Don, I dont 'couch my terms to suit'.

I say what I mean. Even if you dont understand what I mean.

So let's try that out:

Who said you needed my permission?

Here's a background note: I never could communicate well with my kids, either... until they were able to talk in complete sentences.

 

I don't mind that we disagree, but our communication flow kinda goes like this....

1 you make a point, 2 i read the point, 3 rebutt / comment the point, 4 provide my perspective, 5 you tell me I'm dumb, 6 I ask why, 7 repeat 5 & 6.

I wish I did understand. I dont think I understand Don more because he caters to my view when making his own point. I dont think he does that at all.

Then again I could be wrong.