cleveland Baracks

I guess he is still a rockstar because I hear people screaming, actually more like squealing, outside my office as he arrives at the Cleveland Clinic. He is in the cardiology building which is across the street from where I work (the Lerner Institute - not Randy but his dad Al)

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Or that could be the doctors in response to his healthcare reform plan.

 

Well here is my take. Obama has listed the Cleveland Clinic and the Mayo clinic as two examples of high value healthcare that should be an example for reform. Then the head of the Mayo Clinic says publically that he disapproves of Obama's plan. Not a good sign. Have to wonder if he isnt here to try to get the Cleveland Clinic on board with his plan or to at least agree not to publically criticize - at least until he can fix it. You cant have the people you say do healthcare well criticizing your plan.

And I wont go into my opinion about the Cleveland Clinic's healthcare because it's too depressing to think that is what Obama thinks is good

 

more squeals as he leaves

 

Why is that controversial? You merely described what has already happened? And why has everybody grown so averse to talking about the issues?

The one part where I do disagree is that I think something will get passed. Also, Mayo may only disapprove of 20%, but that is enough for them to say they dont endorse the plan.

 

Really? Which DIFFERENT 20%?

Would that be the '20% where they have no say in course of treatment? U nless they want to eat the cost.. or limit those extended/experimental treatment s to the very rich .. and Government functionaries. Because of diminishing return on investment. ie old folks..

Except the 'pachyderm in the room is improved pharmas and diagnostic treatment methodology. This is where the cost escalation is coming from.

Get that? DON SEZ that if this bill as designed is passed everyone will get the same health care system as the guvmint bureaucrats. That's how I read it anyway. Is that what you are saying?

Yeah... you managed to stifle the controversial stuff. And just pull shit {being this healthcare rationing system} outa your ass.

 

On my way home from work I got stuck waiting for the Presidential motorcade to go by. They were suppose to have been out of my 'hood by that time, but I'm glad they werent 'cause I have never seen a Presidential motorcade before. First there was a millitary helicopter above, then one motorcycle, followed by six motorcycles, 3 police cars, the two presidential limos, two more police cars, what looked like a SWAT van, an ambulence, something like 10 white vans, and finally a life flight ambulence. I have no idea who was in the 10 white vans - secret service?, snipers? The entire motorcade was speeding also. There goes the "no one is above the law" idea.

 

Because when asked to justify his meme, he cant.

Still waiting to hear answer on what 'poor homebuyers' got defrauded on their 110% no money down balloon payment loans.

Maybe he'll do better on why he appointed an AG who thinks physicians should be paid like social workers.

Or why he fired an Inspector General who was investigating misuse of Americorp funds.

Or why he moved the census to the Administration oversight and Congress sent ACORN 6.5 Billion. Acorn being tasked to run the 2010 Census.


Maybe he'll find some more cute smilies to illustrate just how insane, paranoid and partisan I am.

Well votes have consequences, the Prez won free and clear. Now he and those who voted for him have to deal with various 'derangement syndrome' inconveniences.

 

I wish that I could take credit for it, but a local high school student thought of it during his campaign. She had t-shirts made up, sold tons of them, and then gave the money to his campaign.

 

Well, that ought to get her a Gold Star next to her name on the Healthcare Registry:

ObamaCare: Pay and Play

Here's the Modus Operandi... Sign on early get your share of the dosh.

Wonder why GE is all gung ho on Carbon Tax?

Meanwhile, I STILL waiting for Don to elucidate on his blowhardy 80/20 claim.. like what IS the 20.. or 80 for that matter?

Here's an easier question Don:

Under the House plan, 'everyone still gets their choice of Private or Public Insurance.'

Yes or No.

'If you have, say, Anthem now. You can keep it'

Yes or No

How about the 'Quality of Life' issues this Brave New World program brings us"

A new service called 'End of life' counseling in which Government Paid 'Experts' advise the Elderly on how to go out gracefully without using up all those medical resources {better spent on younger, more productive people and Democrat voters}

Yes or No

You want to know why I'm fired up on this?

Because my siblings and I recently had to make those tough choices for my dad.

We refused a hip replacement operation after he had fallen and broken it, because his health was rapidly deteriorating after a series of strokes.
In fact we were incensed at the surgeon for insisting on it after we explained my dad's situation and that once he was in a hospital bed he would never get out.

But we had the choice. And if we DIDNT have the choice it would have been even WORSE.

Do YOU want some faceless panel determining whether or not you have enough quality of life left to merit an investment in medical procedures?

What if some money-grubbing HMO tried that.

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OTOH, the lighter side:
You Stay Here While I Swim and Get Us Some Universal Health Care

 

Reprise on questions for Don:

{crickets}

Barack on subject:

Seems to happen a lot. So... here's several political conservatives making a decision regarding medical resources for their rapidly declining father, while one assumes Barack made the opposite decision for his grandmother. Yet I should be okay with this end of life counseling, given I seem to be in agreement with concept of not wasting medical resources.

Once again.. WE made the decision and WE controlled the information that my dad received. His mental and physiological health was rapidly declining. If it had been terminal cancer, OTOH, and there was some ability to enjoy any active lifestyle for even a few weeks, we would probably have approved hip surgery.

What some dont seem to get is that the language of the house bill and Obama's previous actions and statements are what is fueling the uproar.

The house bill sets up a Pandora's box of supposed 'unintended consequence' and isnt helped by several key legislators admitting they haven't or dont have time to read or understand what they voted on.

And THIS is what the uproar is about. After all, Roe v Wade is the model of stretching constitutional and statutory precepts to the max. I'm gonna say again we were all assured by the Feminist and Pro Choice advocates that it was irresponsible and alarmist to suggest 'choice' would lead to defacto infanticide in late term pregnancies.

There's absolutely no doubt that healthcare cant go on as it is.. that's not the argument. But what the Administration doesnt admit that it's government run programs that are breaking the bank, not the private insurers restrictive politicies {sic}.

The other thing that isnt addressed... if the US government holds the reins on medical and pharma research, where is this research going to be done?
Right now, one of the reasons elder med costs so much is because of great advances of the last fifty years. And in large part, German -American research and technology has provided tools for NHS style programs, in large part by US patients subsidizing it. Which still is not enough.

The concept of more 'preventive medicine' reducing costs, btw, is a non-starter. That assumes the human by nature is a compliant, opposed to contrary, entity. Once implemented, the plan would reduce rather than increase screening type programs. Why? BECAUSE there is quite a bit of actuarial evidence that increased attention, by way of 'awareness and screenings' leads to MORE 'dead-end, unneeded treatment', not less.
Do you REALLY think putting this into political hands is going to make it work better?

So when you hear talk of the 'plan' outcome relating to the movie 'Logan's Run' and maybe even 'Soylent Green', dont be so quick to cry 'Partisan/Paranoid'.

 

Lie and distort all you want ... I explained WHY this was happening, ON the issue and the difficult sub issues that must be dealt with ... you puke up yet more crap.

A. Provide evidence, other than campaign speeches that he is anything but a socialist, I accepted it before he was elected you replied "I doubt he and Alinsky were exchanging notes"

B What do nutjob conspiracists have to do with it and how can we have a reasoned debate when you start throwing in the kitchen sink on protest makeup?


We all know you are not cognitively stupid, what then are we to make of your personal politics?
More on the ISSUE:
The Dangers of Decompartmentalized Health Care Spending

Mickey Kaus, Slate"
A Debate We Didn't Have to Have

and
Wont you be on my death panel?

 

I do and did... it is you who keep throwing in shit that doesnt REALLY matter in the issue.

I DO NOT have an alternative to the house plan*. I said it's 'broke' but the issue is it aint broke THAT bad to totally throw away everything that DOES work.

Either come up with reasoned opinion FOR the plan, at least dispute my concerns, or STFU! Like you keep threatening to do.

* If I had three things I would mandate by legislation, it would be:

1. Portability. Coverage of Existing Condition. Including less costly COBRA.

2. No health care opt-out for twenty-thirty somethings. Health Savings Plans plus CAtastrophic coverage WOULD be encouraged.

3. Twenty-Thirty Dollar minimum co-pay for all office/hospital/ER visits, no matter the income. Excludes Trauma admission.

 

Look... I'm not the one who called someone a 'mynah bird, partisan and paranoid.'

And said that someone didnt have the {paraphrased} 'reasoning tools for debate'. Read your last few posts.

Do you want me to put up yet MORE distilled questions on issues for you to ignore and reply, instead, with yet more disingenuous ad hominem invective?