All Politics is Personal

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    I haven't been posting a lot on here because things are going great from a big picture standpoint.

    - There's actually a chance that a conservative {NE style, think McCain but smarter} will take Kennedy's Senate Seat.

    - The UN Global Warming IPCC honcho is about to be exposed as the biggest UN crook {in a long series of crooks} since the Oil-For Food scandal. Watch for it in the next few weeks.

    - racial politics has reached the point where the slander term no longer holds any weight. Thanks Harry Reid, {and you too, unnamed Colorado Democrat, for that shoeshine picture.}

    The Natives are getting restless. Already Hillary Democrats are seeing Rahm Emmanuel for what he always been: A crook and a Thug.

    And they are frekain FURIOUS at what the Democrats are doing to the country.

    The RNC has finally figured out how to do politics in this season.. stand back and let the process work, while deflecting attention to the inbred beltway idiot-savants.

    Spring Tea Parties are about to get a WHOLE LOT bigger and more inclusive of everyone. EXCEPT for those already in power.
    -Chris Matthews has done a great job of promoting them by saying that everyone in them is white.


    To me... it's important that the Dems keep sticking fingers in the dike until the pressure gets to the point the whole mess destructs. Looks like that will happen. Already they say if Brown wins in MA, they'll push the HCR vote through by delaying him taking the seat.

    And then, Ladies and Gentlemen and kids of all ages, the Educated, Informed, Intellectual Money and Power machine, especially the Democratic Party, self-destructs into a million billion pieces!

    Yes, God DOES indeed give us the government we NEED, at a given time.
    All politics is personal.
    But I dont think that is going to happen in 2010. Not if the current government keeps doing what they are doing.
     
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  2. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Spencer that's just about the most incoherent post you've made on politics.

    Well, since you blamed the GOP for Dede's nosedive in NY 23. And of course, YOU and the MSM continue to insist she was a moderate but you cant make any case for that.
    Let's just call Brown 'Romney-esque'. Try to find Rush complaining he was too moderate when he was running for Governor.

    Let me refresh you on Limbaugh's view:

    "You dont win by running from the middle." Now consider the venue, in light of the thread title.
    Consider that Palin made no comments on Brown's race. So maddening to the Dems that THEY had to try to make a connection.

    Consider this:
    Union worker admits being paid by Coakley camp…but he’ll vote for Brown

    Not a bit surprising.. because 'Politics is Personal'. Too bad the guy was caught on video and he's gonna pay a price.

    Answer this:
    Who just raised 1.3 million by an on-line GOTV campaign and who just got about the same amount from a big PAC and is getting a fundraiser by beltway lobbyists and fat cats?

    Who is Big Corp backing?

    Some of those answers, here
    notable:
    Compare that to an email -supposedly- sent by John Kerry to his registered supporters:

    That powerful special interest being the taxpayer?

    * I suppose he means teaparty?

    ** She's investigating Barney Frank?
     
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  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Our Reagan is Us

    Remember you saw that here, first

    Our Reagan is Us

    I think I can pretty much reflect the mood and optimism of the yokels:

    We dont NEED a central leader. No party will guide us, we will guide the parties.
    We'll put up our OWN BIG tent, thank you very much. You may loan us one if you want, and help haul the tent stakes if you want.

    Otherwise stay the f**k out'a the way.

    And dont tell us what the f**k to think. Or what we think. You apparently dont have a clue.
    Or else you think you can get by with giving us careless wit while supporting your 'Feeding at the Trough' Ass-Buddies.
    You are the problem. Not us.

    Here's more on that from what you might call someone with a finger on the pulse of an Army of Davids.

     
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  4. HatterDon

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    wait, wait ... you still believe that the Tea Parties are spontaneous non-partisan events?

    How about the Easter Bunny?

    this is hilarious. Thanks, after yesterday morning, I needed a good laugh.
     
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  5. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Spontaneous? No. Astroturfed like unions and Progressives, no.

    And BTW, the lid may blow off this week and tea party triple:

    Read this and comment Don. Who was it didnt 'exchange notes'?
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    Wow, you guys STILL think that Ayn Rand hung the moon? You are such a caricature of yourself.
     
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  7. andypalmer

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    Don. I have some friends who have participated in tea parties. In some of the cases, a group of disgruntled friends got together and wanted to "parrot" what had been done (but for the same reasons). In one case they did call the local GOP office to find out if one was already planned and ended up being asked to help organized one.

    So yeah, there's GOP involvement, at least most of the time, but at least from the word I'm getting, much of the initiative is not coming from them. Also, yes, it is getting support from Independents.

    Or, to put it another way, given the current state of the GOP, I think you're giving them far too much credit.
     
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  8. HatterDon

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    I'm not crediting the GOP, andypalmer, although even in their current state they're ten times more organized and luced than the Democrats. "Tea Parties USA" is a mini-series conceived, produced, and directed by Fox News. It provides them a ton of programming, and the video can be [and is] used ad nauseum.
     
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  9. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    That's bullshit! It could only be made sense of if Fox News somehow coerced people into watching them. You tell me how viewer polling finds 30 % of Dem stated allegiance watches FNN.

    Maybe you ought ot read up.. I told you before that Tea Party doesnt trust the GOP, either. Figger out why Tea Party disdains the 'litmus tests'.
    You guys SAID YOU WANTED GOP to get more moderate, now you got it and claim it's some sort of Fox conspiracy.
    You're allowed your opinion. You aint allowed a 'different truth'.
     
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  10. andypalmer

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    Don. Considering that Fox News anchors in some markets made the same kind of lurid comments about "tea bagging" that those of other networks did, I would find it highly unlikely that Fox set the whole thing up. Benefited? Certainly. They know what kind of news will sell to their audience in many markets and like any good marketing, er... News agency, will produce the product that their consumers want to consume.
     
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  11. HatterDon

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    andypalmer, Glen Beck has been cheerleading this from the beginning as have the whole crew of "Fox and Friends." Their initial wall-to-wall coverage resulted in a lot of copycat events, and while the first event or two were omnidirectional in their scorn of "Washington SOP," all we see now is Obama Fascist, Where's the Certificate, Kill Obamacare, etc. etc. There's no more criticism of the previous administration, of the effect of 12 years of Republican dominated congress, or of the first bailout.

    Now people who are interviewed will tell you, "We're not partisan. We just want to be heard." But all the signs you'll see and all the chanting that is done is anti-Obama. Tea Parties are the essense of partisan. And, because they are "news events," Fox News gets to orchestrate them for maximum coverage.

    Fog:

    1. "Forced people to watch them?" Nobody forces people to watch "American Idol," but Fox produces that show to get viewers. They produce, direct, and stage manage the Tea Parties for the same reason.

    2. Tea partiers -- at least those featured on Fox News cut-ins are NOT moderate anything, never mind moderate Republicans.
     
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  12. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Just keep on the old familiar Don, we hardly recognize ye otherwise...

    I Do find it strange that the core constituency for the tea parties strongly agree with your 'fiscal views' of just more than a year ago. Something which you seem to be pretty silent on, now.

    Oh, you'll reaffirm that but now there's scant chance of doing anything near term to fix it, the revenues have dropped so far and fast.
    I mean WHO KNEW that just scattering money hither and yon without much regard to actually creating REAL jobs, rather than promise NEW GREEN JOBS... yet another faux distant promise.. there ARE and WILL BE no 'new green jobs'. The ones to do those are now just out of work.

    the focus is pretty evident though...


     
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  13. HatterDon

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    I still think both bailouts were ill advised and too rushed. I'm pretty sure I posted that upon both of them occurring. I do know that the banks have pretty much paid all of their TARP money back -- something neither you nor I thought would happen ever, never mind in a year -- and the spending on infrastructure and one-off events like cash-for-clunkers has had some effect on businesses. And, despite the fact that Fox always says that the market will cringe with every Obama announcement, the opposite has pretty much been the case every time.

    Your problem -- at least this iteration of your problem -- is that because I criticize Faux News I must love everything Obama says and does. This is not the fact. I think he's done a terrible job in his first year, and I didn't want him nominated or elected in the first place. It seems to me that YOU posted that you thought a single-term Obama presidency might be best for the long run, and you did everything you could to echo the geek chorus that McCain wasn't a REAL conservative.

    So, how do you like the last 13 months of Obama 1 rather than McCain 1? I don't like it a whole lot, and I have never said I do. That doesn't mean that I have to applaued Fox News and their orchestrated "grass-roots movement."
     
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  14. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Except they didnt orchestrate the 'grass roots movement'. Beck didnt, believe me... I got a pretty good feel for his audience.. LOT of whack jobs but he's entertaining as hell. And has a lot of good points to think about. But I no more want him to 'lead' anything than I want Ron Paul, who also makes some good points, to lead anything.
    Limbaugh might have inspired it indirectly.

    It's real.
     
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  15. andypalmer

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    Don. Sorry, I've gotta agree with 'fog here. Beck didn't start the movement, though he certainly jumped on the bandwagon. Fox doesn't orchestrate them, but they certainly up their production for them. I do agree that the tone has turned from anti-government status quo to more anti-Obama, but really, the health care proposal was really really bad.

    To cover my bases, I don't watch Fox news; I'm more of a CNN/BBC type of guy. I am Mormon though and have lots of conservative friends, so I'm pretty up to speed on Glenn Beck (who I'm not a huge fan of but I like him better than any of the others, though the times are few and far between when I listen/read his stuff).
     
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  16. Clevelandmo

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    I havent watched Fox news in a long time, but I dont recall them ever being as crude or disrespectful as the rest of the media has been about the tea parties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests,_2009

    specifically, I'm referring to the "teabagging controversy"


    Oh and I heard a guest commentator on NPR's the Diane Rheam Show use the phrase in the same way when commenting on the movement.

    While I'm sure there have been some tea party protestors who have gone too far with Obama Facism and other comparisons, I'm equally sure their numbers are exaggerated. If the tea party protestors are doing something illegal, dishonest, immoral, dangerous, racist or whatever just report the facts and let them speak for themselves. The major news networks are pathetic these days - I hardly see how Fox stands out in that regard but then maybe I should start watching it as much as Don apparently does.

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  17. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Hatch Speaks. embarrasses self

    SLTrib: 'Tea Party movement threatening to tear GOP apart'

    Except that the 'Tea Party' didnt exist in 2008. Those 'extreme conservatives' were well entrenched and equating them smacks of the NY Conservative Party in the NY 23 race.

    A done deal by the time national tea party took notice and no matter what the media says, it was Republicans lost that one... not conservatives.

    That's why almost everyone says the TP cannot indulge in 3rd party hubris.
     
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