Super Bowl XXadnauseum

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    So... the Colts thought it wasn't worth the trouble. Funny... Seahawks must'a decided it WAS a good thing sometime during the 4th quarter.

    But it wouldn't be a SB with the Pats in it if there wasn't some kind of cheating scandal.
    Deflate Gate!
    Envy, Jealousy and just plain idiocy now enter in. Thing is, after a while, you get this image... and that wont start to go away until Bill Belligerent is no longer the Coach.

    Or maybe it's true.. THEN WHAT! Only REAL remedy would be for NFL to disqualify the Patriots.
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    I may actually watch a bit of this. The Memsahib is working until 6 or 7, so it's either that or wash dishes.
     
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    Ok...I couldn't help but laugh at this one.
     
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  5. SoCalJoe

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    Caliendo channeling Belichick yesterday morning before the game, replete w/jedi mind tricks, video cameras, and of course Mr. Brady;


    Took a good couple of hours to get over the shock of that comeback. It took 30 years to see the Hawks reach the SB, another 7 to see them win it, so a shot at going back to back amazes me. To our resident Packer fan Sulley in Texas is lurking out there, sorry brutha
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    So, if they hadn't fiddled with the pigskins, there's a good chance that New England would only have won by 28 points. Shocking
     
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  7. dtowndough

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    HD, I think i'm gonna go with washing dishes and laundry over this game.
     
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    Funny part is the Patriots have a better winning percentage post Spy-gate. Crazy part about the whole Spy-gate thing is that they could have had people watching what was going on and writing it down in real time and in the end came up with the same result. It was just that you could not videotape it.
    The Patriots and Belichick have gotten into opponents heads and they may spend more time looking for something then preparing for the game. Look how quick Harbaugh was to accuse them of cheating? The NFL shot that down pretty quick.

    As for Deflate Gate. I don't quite get this line from one of the articles (I believe he tweeted the same thing) "The source told Kravitz that officials took a ball out of play at one point and weighed it."
    How much does air weigh? A ball fully deflated weights the same as a ball fully deflated right? They would have to check the PSI of the ball which is supposed to fall between 12.5and 13.5 PSI.
     
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  9. astroevan

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    Yeah, there's a lot of that thinking around here in CO. All of my hometown friends here don't know who to root for. Do you root for the hated Patriots or the team that completely embarrassed you in last year's Super Bowl. I, on the other hand, spent 13 years of my life in NE and know exactly who I'm rooting for.

    Jim- there is also a weight requirement in the rule regarding the balls. I'm not sure how much 1 PSI difference at sea level in 40 degree weather would effect the weight. But like you, I can't imagine it would that big of a change.

    I'm curious to see the outcome of the investigation. I read a lot of speculation and jumps to conclusion yesterday, so we'll see what the league actually says in the end.

    Either way, it's time to focus on neutralizing Seattle's pass rush so Brady has time to throw. Hopefully the Pats can replicate GB's rushing game from Sunday.
     
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  10. dtowndough

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    astro, count me as one of the many in CO with no one to cheer for. But I do think the Patriots will win convincingly.
     
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    I'm trying to care, I really am. Of course, the history of the game is less than exciting. The conference championship games and more recently, some of the wild card games, tend to be more entertaining. But I'll probably watch...and root for Seattle. Can't stand Belichick as a human being, although he is an awfully good football coach.
     
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  12. SoCalJoe

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    Dtown, understand when you dislike both teams (the Whiners vs the Ravens SB was two teams I couldn't stand). For the people with no horse in the paddock it's a game to enjoy the party, grade the ads, and make fun of Katy Perry's halftime show. That said I assume you root for the Broncos and have a soft spot for the Pack due to Favre and his USM ties, which makes this game hard to get excited about, but it's a great matchup with 2 tremendous teams. I will disagree and say it won't be an easy win for the Pats, and here is why;

    • Pats should be a slight favorite for the main reason of Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas (arguably the best players at their positions in the NFL) having injuries. Just thankful that both injuries are not leg related, but expect Belichick to target both to find out right away if they can tackle.
    • In the Brady-Belichick era they've gone to 5 previous SB's, and win or lose they've all come down to the final seconds.
    • Brady is still great, but at 37 makes uncharacteristic Brady plays. One or two inexplicable throws he never used to make per game, and against Seattle those just don't end being interceptions, they end up going to the house.
    • Seattle was on a huge roll before the Championship game, they were destroying very good teams from a much better division and Conference than the Pats. The Ravens were the only team in the AFC that plays a NFC style of ball and they gave NE all they wanted.
    • Seattle's D is historically great, and to a man they know a win here and they could be regarded as the best ever (hard to compare different eras when there was no player movement, salary cap, etc.). They are the first defense in 30 years to lead the NFL in consecutive years in fewest points and fewest yards given up.
    • Maybe it's because I love the Seahawks, but I believe they will play better than they did against the Pack. Seattle had already blown out Green Bay this season, and the general rule of thumb is an excellent team like the Packers would play much with an edge and a chip on their shoulder the second time around.

    Of course I will come on here and say how wrong I was if the Pats cruise to a win
     
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  13. pettyfog

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    Certainly have gotten in my head, too. Usedta hate the Cowboys {after Staubach} Just because. But I gotta say I didnt like Bill Bellicose from the git-go.
     
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    SoCal. I think they Patriots have found their mojo and are just playing too well right now. Seahawks lack a threat receiver, and ol Belichick with two weeks wiill have a game plan for Lynch. I should quantify "convincingly" though. I'll say pats by 8, but never trail.

    Absolutely have a huge soft spot for the Packers with the Favre ties, but have been a Broncos fan since a kid due to another So Miss player that played for the Broncos in the 80's. Oh well. I do hope it's a good game, because at the end of the day, i will be on the couch watching it because it's football.
     
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    So now Bob Kraft has self-righteously demanded an apology from the NFL if they cannot DEFINITIVELY prove the Pats had anything to do with the 11 out of 12 balls being underinflated.

    Instead of wailing, like some wronged pussy-boy, about the injustice of the accusations.. and that SOMEONE in NFL HQ has it out for you, look at the FACTS! Look up the definition of 'Prima Facie', Mr Kraft. They were in YOUR team's care, they were illegal. SOMEONE did it. And it does not matter a damn bit that Patriots would have won anyway*. And it doesn't matter that you supported Roger Goodell in the Ray Rice decision. I mean WHY should that make a difference?!
    So your bleating, even if you wouldn't even THINK of cheating, doesn't temper my distaste for your on-field organization.

    * Hey, Bob..and all you NE apologists.. do you understand 'Point Spread'?
     
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  16. HatterDon

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    Are you saying that partners in a socialist combine have a motive to cheat each other?
     
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  17. dcheather

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    And it hasn't been proven that anybody has done anything with the footballs...yet. With Belichick doubling down on natural occurrences and the way they prep the ball, I'm feeling pretty confident as a Pats fan they didn't knowingly deflate the ball.

    Kraft has every right to be pissed with the NFL and the sources leaking partial circumstantial info on what has been found. One source leaks it was 2 psi for 11 of 12 balls and another says only 1 ball was under 2 psi (the one that was intercepted and checked twice by the Colts equipment manager and ref) and the rest were closer to 1 psi below. Another leak they're zeroing in on a locker room attendant who brought balls into an undisclosed area and they have video evidence of him going there. Then hours later a another source leaks that area was a bathroom and brought both the Colts and Patriots balls there for wait for it...90 seconds. Hmmm, I wonder what he was doing? Most likely #1 and washed his hands--at least I hope so. And these leaks just happen to come out while the Pats were on a plane to AZ. What a coincidence.

    This has been a media circus with no facts being confirmed by the NFL other than 11 of 12 balls were under the legal limit of 12.5 psi and the footballs were corrected to the legal psi for the second half and remained at the legal level at the end of the game. Nobody knows for sure (outside the investigation) what each ball was measured at for either team at the start (at least for the Colts), half, and end of game and whether they were re-measured and inflated inside or outside. The media hasn't reported much of anything other than speculation.

    The NFL is investigating the "deflated balls" with an independent team, the same ones for the whole Miami Dolphin affair a few years ago. So I am not sure where you were going with the whole Kraft and Goodell thing. I have feeling this whole NFL sources leaking shit has put Mr. Kraft off from pulling any favors for the commish for some time.

    Plus, a number of scientists have confirmed that weather at Foxboro during the game WOULD reduce the psi in footballs...some saying between .5 and 1.5 psi. And I would think Fog, that you would be rooting for your favorite media darling scientists to be proven wrong (Neil and Nye):

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ile-still-not-quite-getting-it-right.1115792/

    Also, see here:

     
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  18. SoCalJoe

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    If the NFL hadn't investigated there would of been an uproar, so Kraft demanding an apology from the league is more about the politics of the game than anything else. He wants an apology? Demand it from the media who has turned this into the kidnapping of Lindbergh's baby.

    As far as what can be proven, who knows. However, one simple observation is the most telling..11 of 12 footballs. One football is used for the kicking game and you'd want that one with max pressure. With the proper tool, you can take air out of a ball in 2 seconds, and you wouldn't need to go to the bathroom room to do it. Did the Patriots mean to go under the legal air pressure? Nope, don't believe it. Does Tom Brady get the footballs the exact way he wants them? Is it cold in Antartica?? Furthermore, the best attribute of Belicheck is his hyper attention to detail, and he has no knowledge of how the main piece of equipment is handled? o_O:rolleyes:
     
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  19. dcheather

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    Yes, it's politics and it's getting tired of the leaks of this investigation while it's still ongoing. I don't have a doubt Kraft is PO'd about his boys being made to look bad by the media due to the leaks from the NFL during an ongoing investigation. Especially from an organization that should keep its mouth shut in its own best interest because they're most likely going to look like idiots by the time all is said and done. If not already.

    Latest leak: http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...iversity-physics-department-deflategate-probe

    Your boy Pete admitted he had no clue how his team's footballs were prepared before the game. It's called delegation of duties. Team equipment managers are the ones that deal with equipment. Do you really think Belichick gives a hoot about how exactly Brady likes the football while coming up with a gameplan each week? No. But I'm really glad other team fans think Belichick is all knowing and super devious, probably rubs off on the team they support too.

    BTW Joe, did Seattle's players get their Adderall prescriptions in time for the big game?:cool:

    2 seconds per ball to get them just right? Partaking in any recently legalized substances in Seattle?:)
     
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  20. pettyfog

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    Aha... I knew someone would apply scientific method to it. Thanks, Heather.
    And Further, there is a way to accomplish the soft football without flouting the rule openly.. use ambient temp PLUS humidity.
    "Inflate the balls in a sauna!" Or, if that makes your conscience hurt, near the locker room showers.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/...ir-in-a-football-without-letting-any-air-out/
    *With a bonus of proving -AGAIN- that Bill Nye is an idiot and knows near nothing about gas physics.. I suspect everyone who ever made a living as an engineer knows thta but why dont more people speak out!*
    Doesnt change the issue regarding an NFL apology, though. Again I really believe Kraft had no idea.
     
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