HAYNES HAPPY AS A PASS MASTER FROM FULHAM'S COLOURFUL DAYS

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  1. GaryBarnettFanClub

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    The following is a chapter from Michael Parkinson’s “On Football” book from 2001, the interview took place in January 1996. I thought it may be of interest.

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    Fame is a capricious mistress. There was a time when Johnny Haynes was one of the most famous men in Britain. In the fifties and sixties he was not only the most complete footballer in the land but also the captain of England, the first footballer to be paid £100 a week and the man who smiled at you from the Brylcreem ads. He was universally admired and around Craven Cottage, the home of Fulham Football Club, he was worshipped. Nowadays, whenever you mention his name, people say, ‘Whatever happened to him?’

    The other day a radio station offered a bottle of champagne to any listener who knew where he was. The curiosity was well meant and can be regarded as an indication that he has not been forgotten.

    On the other hand, any suggestion that Haynes lives anywhere other than the pantheon is an insult to anyone who saw him play. If you compile a list of English players of equal calibre, only Bobby Charlton, Bobby Moore, Tom Finney and Stanley Matthews come to mind. Together they comprise the crown jewels of English football.

    In fact, Johnny Haynes is alive and well and living in Edinburgh. He helps his wife run a dry-cleaning business. He often delivers door to door. I wonder how many of his customers realise they are being served by a man who once masterminded the most humiliating defeat ever inflicted on the Scottish national team. It was 15 April 1961 – England 9 Scotland 3. Jimmy Greaves scored a hat-trick, but it was Haynes at his merciless best who controlled the slaughter. He also scored twice.

    Frank Haffey, the Scottish goalkeeper, lived the rest of his career with the noose of that defeat around his neck. The occasion was celebrated by a bitter joke. Scottish fan to Johnny Haynes: What time is it? Johnny Haynes: ‘Nine past Haffey’. [this is an appalling joke – I know the English have a different sense of humour to our cousins across the pond, but that is just not funny – GBFC]

    He was waiting for me in the arrival lounge at Edinburgh airport. There wasn’t anyone marking him. He always had the knack of finding space. The hair was greyer than I remembered, but cut in the same non-nonsense, national service style. He is sixty-one and in very good nick. As he leads the way to the car park, I look at the broad and solid back, the rolling and purposeful gait and imagine that is the view most defenders had of him when he was in his prime. Like his old friend Bobby Moore, he is genuinely self-effacing. He knows his reputation and does not see the necessity to continue proving it. He would much rather gossip about old friends back in London that his life and times.

    Again like Bobby Moore, he throws you off the scent by asking questions ‘Seen Jimmy [Hill]? How is he? All right? What about Tom [Wilson]? Remember those lunches we used to have? Good times, weren’t they? Do you see anything of Bobby [Keetch]? He’s a character, isn’t he? How’s George [Cohen]? Ever see him?’ And so on until you are in danger of forgetting that he is supposed to be answering the question not asking them.

    When he finished at Fulham he spent a few years coaching in South Africa. He played under his old friend ‘Budgie’ Byrne, whose theories on man-management were sometimes as whimsical as his manner of playing. He once asked John if he could criticise him at a team meeting so that the rest of the players, who were in awe of Haynes, would think themselves in good company when the manager took them to task.

    Haynes reluctantly agreed. ‘Remember,’ said Budgie, knowing his friend’s short fuse, ‘whatever you do, don’t come back. It’s only pretend.’ Came the day and Byrne was in the middle of dressing down Haynes when the player started answering back. What was meant as a dummy run became a full-scale slanging match as both men argued and nearly came to blows.

    Haynes laughs at his inability to side-step an argument, even a make-believe one. He never did. When he was one of the most famous names in football, he managed to enjoy his celebrity without it ever dominating his life. Anyone imagining that temptation in those days was not as alluring and available as it is now never walked down King’s Road in the sixties nor fully understood Fulham FC’s affinity with the more glamorous, not to say raffish, elements of London society.

    Honour Blackman, known in those days as Cathy Gale or Pussy Galore, had a seat in the stand and there were more showbiz faces on the terraces than would be found at the Royal Command Performance. It is rumoured that Johnny Haynes was once unable to get into the treatment room for a message because the facilities were being used to ‘prepare’ a greyhound for a big race.

    Tommy Tinder was chairman and he was not the biggest comedian on Fulham’s books at the time. There was the immortal Tosh Chamberlain, whom God created for Johnny Haynes to shout at. It is difficult to imagine a more contrasting pair – Haynes the perfectionist, stern and meticulous; Chamberlain, carefree, and so careless of his talents as to appear, on occasions, slapdash, not to say doolally. Anyone watching Fulham in those days is bound to remember Haynes with the ball at his feet, pointing Chamberlain down the wing. When he was in full flight, Haynes would release a thirty or forty-yard pass of such exquisite direction and pace the ball would drop like a snowflake on to Chamberlain’s right to-cap. What happened next would depend upon the time, or the state of the moon or the juxtaposition of Mars with Venus, or from which side of the bed Tosh had alighted that morning. Sometimes he would continue his run, stride unbroken, and crash the ball into the net with a ferocity unequalled in the days of heavy leather balls.

    Chamberlain once broke a goalkeeper’s arm with a penalty. Playing against an Italian club, the entire defensive wall broke ranks and fled in disarray as Tosh ran it to take a free kick. Equally, he demolished a few corner flags in his time and had also been known to smash the ball into the crowd behind the goal causing the kind of devastation normally associated with a six-inch mortar.

    Sometimes e would trip over himself and fall flat on his face. On these occasions he would pick himself up and come face to face with an outraged Haynes who would bawl him out. There was the famous moment when the argument became so heated that the referee booked Tosh for abusive language ‘But you can’t do that, he’s on my bloody side’ said Tosh.

    In those wonderful, intoxicating, funny days, Fulham had a centre-half called Bobby Keetch. Anyone tracing the family tree of the modern footballer and seeking the moment when he crossed the divide between sport and showbiz – made the change from snug* to cocktail bar, started going to hair stylist instead of a barber – should talk to Mr Keetch about his time at Fulham.

    [*A snug is a small area of a pub between the saloon and public bar where regulars can drink in private - GBFC]

    Bobby Keetch drove a silver Lotus Elan sportscar, bought his suits from a Mayfair tailor, ate at the Chanterelle in South Kensington, and drank with Annigoni, the odd opera singer and one or two train robbers at the Pheasantry Club in Chelsea. He had great natural style and compelling attraction for the opposite sex, particularly beds who had seen nothing quite like him; nor had the rest of up.

    Haynes was Bobby Keetch’s hero, Today the two men remain firm friends. Keetch, now a successful businessman ad little doubt that Haynes was among the best ever.

    ‘One of the truly greats. I was seventeen when I joined Fulham. John was captain of England. First day we went to a pub for lunch and I sat apart for the others. Didn’t dare speak. The team left and I asked for my bill. The landlord said that John had paid for me. Didn’t have to, except he knew that as a young player I was likely to be broke and I was. It proved my theory that I never met a really great player who was a complete a***hole,’ he said. On the basis that people should reap what they sow, Keetch took Haynes and his wife to Rome to celebrate the great man’s sixtieth birthday. They prevented a lot of vino from being consigned to the European wine lake.

    The first time they went to Italy together was with Fulham. Haynes and Keetch were sitting in a restaurant in Venice when a beautiful woman asked Bobby Keetch if she might paint his portrait. Mr Keetch did not return with the main party. Haynes remains in awe of his friend’s panache.

    Keetch says, ‘His great hero is Tom Finney, and I think John stands comparison. Like Finney, he has been given a retrospective accolade. It’s only in recent years that people have come to realise they were both truly great players. Can you imagine a time when we were able to take footballers of that calibre for granted?’

    ‘I think John was the best passer of the ball I ever saw. His accuracy was remarkable over distance and the weight and speed of the ball was always perfect. He was the master of the long, defence-splitting pass. It’s been lost to the game in recent years, but I saw Ruud Gullitt playing at Chelsea and he hit a couple of forty-yarders to feet that had men of my age remembering John.

    ‘When people ask me about him, I tell them that he was a perfectionist and sometimes he achieved perfection. Nor many of us can say that,’ said Bobby Keetch.

    He might have lacked ambition. Otherwise why stay at Fulham? The nearest he came to leaving was when John Whire, the greatly gifted Spurs inside-forward, was tragically killed. Spurs offered £100,000 for him. Today they would need five million or more. He was tempted, He thought Jimmy Greaves with his intelligence and predatory instinct in the box would have been a perfect partner. Fulham would not part with him.

    The news that the club had blocked the transfer was too much for one reader who wrote to a newspaper editor: ‘This strikes a deadly blow at our trade union rights and liberties. We might as well have let Hitler come over here with his jackboots and trample all over our cherished and hard-one liberties.’

    Had Johny Haynes played today he would have been a millionaire. As it was he found financial security by going into partnership with a bookmaker called Tommy Benfield. They sold their betting shops to the Tote, and Hanes had a safety net against the moment the tumult faded.

    He played 56 times for England, 22 times as captain. It would have been more but for a damaged knee caused by a car crash when he was twenty-seven. He says he played for seven years on one leg.

    The argument goes that he might had a more illustrious career, become a better player, had he gone to a bigger, wealthier club. Haynes points out that when the Fulham team included Tony Macedo, Jim Langley, Geoge Cohen, Bobby Robson, Alan Mullery, Eddie Lowe, Archie Macauley, Bedford Jezzard, Rodney Marsh, Graham Leggatt, Allan Clarke and Roy Bentley he could claim to be in the best of company. What kept I interesting was the presence of characters such as Maurice Cook, Jimmy Hill, Tosh and Bobby Keetch. In the First Division days of the sixties, Fulham attracted gates of 40,000.

    In 1961 Jimmy Hill, the man who gave professional footballers a clear and persuasive voice as well as a new deal, drove through the restrictions imposed by the maximum wage. Tommy Trinder, who once joked that Johnny Haynes was worth £100 a week, was made to put his money where his mouth was. There were those wo predicted it was a beginning of the end. Haynes smiles at the memory.

    ‘I’d love to play in today’s game. I think I’d find a lot of space to put my foot on the ball and pass it around. I think I might enjoy working with the modern ball. It’s difficult to explain to players just how heavy and brutal the old ball was.’

    ‘Once we played on a mud heap at Port Vale and even Tosh, who could kick a wall down, couldn’t move the ball more than ten or twelve yards. Roy Bentley who played centre-forward and centre-half for us, had a forehead covered in scar tissue.’ he said.

    He did not fancy management. He took over on a temporary basis when Fulham sacked Bobby Robson as the team went from the First to the Third Division in three seasons. ‘Didn’t like it. I valued my heath too much. I saw what it did to other people,’ he said.

    One day Vic Buckingham was in charge, Haynes watched him try to teach Bobby Keetch how to become a better player. Buckingham took Keetch on to the training ground and started tap dancing. At the end of a five-minute routine borrowed from Fred Astaire, Buckingham said to a baffled Bobby Keetch, ‘That’s what I want you to do. Learn that routine. It’ll do wonders for your balance.’ F*** off,’ said Bobby Keetch and earned himself a free transfer.

    We laughed a lot that day in Edinburgh. Why not? We were remembering good days when football wore a smile. Anyone who went to Craven Cottage when Johnny Haynes was king will tell you the same. It was not a golden age or anything like that – although it has been a while since we produced a Haynes, Charlton or a Bobby Moore – but it was a pleasant, well-mannered and good-natured time to be involved with the game.

    There was nowhere else we would rather be on a Saturday afternoon than watching football at Craven Cottage. I asked Johnny Haynes what he remembered when he looked back, ‘I recall that once we scored a hundred goals and didn’t come tome. We couldn’t work it out until someone pointed out that we’d let in a hundred goals as well. It was great fun, wasn’t it? he said.

    January 1996


    Bobby Keetch died of a heart attack on 27 June 1996. Johnny Haynes was killed in a car crash on 18 October 2005, he is, undoubtedly the greatest ever player produced by Fulham. - GBFC
     
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    RE: HAYNES HAPPY AS A PASS MASTER FROM FULHAM

    GBFC, I can't speak for the rest of the Yanks, but I'd love to see the article on Cohen, the fullback with the great England '66 team.

    And I disagree. There's no such thing as a bad joke on goalies! As an old striker, I love them all -- "Bonetti felt so bad after the Germany match, he held his head in his hands ... and dropped it." "Bonetti felt so bad after the Germany match, he threw himself in front of a bus ... and it went under him." [World Cup '70].

    Who are the others in Parky's book?
     
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  3. GaryBarnettFanClub

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    RE: HAYNES HAPPY AS A PASS MASTER FROM FULHAM

    I don't know how much you know about Michael Parkinson (journalist and chat show host), he is a Yorkshire lad whoses first love is Barnsley, so there are a lot of Barnsley players in their. He also looks at Finney, Matthews, B Charlton and Best - with a big, general whinge about the state of English football.
     
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  4. HatterDon

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    RE: HAYNES HAPPY AS A PASS MASTER FROM FULHAM

    I am very familiar with Parky. During the 9 or so years I lived in England, I watched his show all the time. I thought he did probably the best celebrity interviews ever.

    I had forgotten his Barnsley festish. Thanks again for the post.
     
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  5. GaryBarnettFanClub

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    Haynes was better

    FFC continue to look for a lasting tribute to Johnny Haynes I thought that I would post another, shorter, articles about the Maestro.

    This is taken from Martin Samuel’s column in the News of the World, originally published October 23, 2005.

    I don't know for sure, but I would guess the ex-pro was Jimmy Greaves.
     
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    Johnny Haynes

    ...GBFC - thanks for that, I had not read that and it has been a joy for me to read.

    Whereabouts in Kingston are you - and was it you I bumped into in BHS last December?
     
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