French Election

I've gotten really into this French election because A) I think France is at a critical point in its history and B) I was teaching/talking about it a lot to my grade 12 political science class.

Basically, I don't think Sarko is perfect, but I think if Royal wins France would be set for years of unmitigated turmoil and impecuniousness.

 

Holy Crap! We have a {current} poli-sci teacher on here?!!!!!!

SURELY you can give us more input and pin down the issues more than that. I dont mean to criticize but what you done is throw out an abstract viewpoint.

Maybe you've noticed but it's the 'WHY!!!!' element that I really get off on...

From my neanderthal, conservative, reactionary POV... the issue is that all Royal offers is more of the same touchy-feely socialist meme... where she promises to 'serve the will of the masses*' - whether that's what she SAYS or not.
* based on emotional application of issues and whatever juice some 'victim group' can exert, of course.

While Sark promises to put the rubber on the road and do what's needed to save France from total chaos and further decline into inconsequentia... whether that's what he SAYS or not.

Hopefully, though, NEITHER of them will prove to be the cynical self-serving crook that Chirac is.

And more hopefully, he'll be hauled off to court once he leaves office. Let the winner pardon him, that's okay... but let's get his record into the sunshine.

 

Yes, I could have offered more, but I was sorta testing the waters here, not sure how much interest there would be on this issue, because, afterall, it's France!

In my opinion, the economy is the most important part of a country. Without a strong economy you don't have prosperity, without prosperity you have no hope, without hope you have civil disobedience and chaos.

A strong economy, private and public, can be taxed and used to provide for your people at whatever level is sustainable.

France's economy is poor, which is why it acquired the monkier "sick man of Europe." The economy and industry in France need dramatic action to fix the problem, but Royal's policies would kill it.

Her policies include raising the minimum wage, raising state pensions, raising unemployment payments, and maintaining the 35 hour work week, and achieving all this by keeping personal income taxes the same and lowering some corporate taxes. If she thinks this work and it will help the country I've got a bridge to sell...

The missus has just started a tupperware party or something so she is kicking my arse out, maybe later we can look at Sarko's side, or other issues, such as foreign affairs, environment, crime, or immigration.

 

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Oh... I have interest! Didnt you see my post on French attitudes toward their own country?

I'll take your point further and nail the elitist intellectual left for this. The stupid {leftist=pushed} immigration policies, combined with the ghetto-isation of same and the utter refusal to practice their own preaching in regard to jobs and education for the immigrant community is exactly what's behind their ills.
NOT just the confiscatory tax scheme that finances it.

Remember the ONLY way Marxists ever get into power is for the existing society to crumble into chaos, so that they are seen as the last best hope. Anything that allows or makes that happen is fair game.

And once that happens, of course the people's benefits forced by well-meaning libs and socialists as well as self-serving unions, are taken away whether a little at a time or with one stroke, 'for the good of the masses/country'.

 

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Sarkozy wins 52% to 47%

 

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I see tough sledding... and another excuse for 'youth' to riot.

Well, we'll see. He certainly isnt going to go all radical change, anyway.. but when's the last time you saw any french group give up anything.

 

"I cant debate any of those points made.. so!"

I'm right, Don, and you know it!

However... while was mowing my dad's lawn and mine, I realized there is something I admire Chirac AND the French, generally, for:

The French dont give a crap what anybody else thinks of them. And that's admirable.
The Brits used to be that way... and we still have some vestiges of that. But the wind coming from the bleaters is eroding it fast.

 

Well from what I can tell this is good news for France. They've got some serious sh*t to get in order, does anyone actually think a socialist could solve any of it??

35 hour work week! Honestly, thats crap! I don't want to be all high, mighty, and arrogant American here, ok actually I do, 35 hour work week, be serious!

I work almost that much at my part time job, most highscool seniors/college students who have jobs do. Not advocating that they do what we do, most Americans deserve much more time off than they recive, but 35 hours in addition to the two and half months or whatever vacation time they get is a bit generous, and she wants to raise pensions!

 

Sarkozy in a fascist! He supports racism in France, he won't do anything to stop racist sentiment! Immigrants are heavily discriminated all across Europe. Second-generation immigrants who graduated from university end up driving taxis, the police love to use racial profiling, and people are paranoid about immigrants!

 

Well said? Sounds like pure drivel to me.

 

It's like with the Muhammad cartoons. If it was in the Syechelles, no one would care. But it's Denmark, a nation that has a right-wing racist party in power!

 

Sarkozy is pro-Bush, so I see all the neo-cons changing their opinion about France with him winning.

 

Oh sing.. sing the song, the same old song...you done all life long.

It doesnt matter if it makes no sense, or was proven false again...

Just sing .. sing that song!

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/world ... ref=slogin

Look at the ass kissing here, Bush has found a new best friend.

 

nice riding sarkozy, and stay the f@ck away from bush alliances if you desire a second election.

what song should we be singing pettyfog?

i could give two shits about french elections. french elections will have little effect on the shambles that is u.s. foreign policy at this point because the white house listens to nobody....except when god himself speaks to bush.

 

If Sark is smart, he will indeed distance himself. He did so in regard to the crooked, corrupt Chirac... who was nevertheless the left's Rent Boy as long as it suits their agenda. So YOU guys are somewhat 'triangulated', n'est ce pas?

So let's get back to 'he is a fascist'... how easily that is tossed around referring to anyone conservative ...you Marxists!

You dont know what he is going to do... you dont know how his adminstration is going to proceed on addressing the real problems.

Would Sark rescind the stupid 'head scarf banning'? That would be one of the first thing THIS 'reactionary fascist' would do. I seriously DONT know... for all I know he might have instigated it, but again I am not jumping the gun.

Will he actually address the problems of un and underemployed that is not just confined to the immigrant community but endemic to ANYONE not having 'connections'?

We wont know for at least six months what his actual intent is and what the possibilities are. But I have a feeling it will be more kennedy or nixon in outlook than you think.

 

Oh yes that evil Sarkozy, those innocent youth were burning cars and attacking police and that fascist had the gall to send out the riot coppers to make them stop! gasp FASCIST!

That evil Sarkozy he believe it or not called people who burn cars and attack police "scum". Clearly this means he's a FASCIST! a racist FASCIST!

That evil Sarko he wants the French to work a 40 hour week, FASCIST!

 

With regard to my previous post, I apologize for its tempered idiocy, as I know now to not attempt political posts after returing from a night of "socializing" at my favorite watering hole. I hope my self-imposed ban sticks.

Cheers.