Baseball 2014

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  1. jumpkutz

    jumpkutz Well-Known Member

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    I'm making my (almost) annual pilgramage tomorrow to 700 Clark St., St. Louis, Missouri, USA. My team will be taking on the might Miami Marlins. We've been just above mediocre this season, but there's still time to turn things around. Offense has been the problem. We'll put together a modest win streak, then follow it up with an equally head scratching skid. Still, we're six games over .500 approaching the All Star break, and the talent is still there to do something. But it needs to happen soon.
    On a more positive note, the long awaited Ballpark Village across the street from the left field fence is finally open, so we won't have to drive out to Chippewa St. to get some Ted Drewe's Frozen Custard. It sounds weird, but it's the best frozen treat you'll ever put in your mouth. Crowds line up back to the street at all 10 windows this time of year at the main stand, so it'll be interesting to see how they designed the village store. And the new hall of fame is open as well. Supposedly second only to Cooperstown in the number and quality of exhibits and artifacts of the national pasttime. I'm especially anxious to see the Bob Gibson related stuff and the 11 time World Champion room.
    To top it all off, two great giveaways this weekend. On Saturday, the first 25,000 receive a commimorative RWB jersey. Sunday a Jim Edmonds bobblehead.
     
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  2. jumpkutz

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    Wow. One of the more interesting non waiver trad e deadline days in recent memory for my team.
    Wasn't too surprised we parted company with Allen Craig. His season long slump is a mystery. Here's hoping he finds some answers with Boston. A quality guy who gives away very few plate appearances.
    Was a little surprised that they gave up a very good, promising young arm in Joe Kelly. Above average stuff and velocity, under contract for reasonable money. Lackey had better stay healthy and produce like he's capable. We gave up a lot to get him.
    The Cardinals' recent history has been to wait until after this deadline to ferret out a bargain or two, hoping they clear waivers, then hoping the investment yields unexpected dividends. This move signals a departure from that tendency. Time will tell if it's good or bad. Can't argue with any of their methods in recent seasons. The results pretty much speak for themselves.
     
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  3. dcheather

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    Well, the Red Sox cleared house. They're giving MLB whiplash with this worst to first to worst again. Oh well, you really can't win them all. :)
     
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  4. jumpkutz

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    Yes they did. And no, you can't. Not even the GD yankees.
     
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  5. HatterDon

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    Orioles opportunity now. The expanded the number of wildcards to ensure that both Boston and NY would make the playoffs. I'm rooting for Baltimore and Toronto. ESPN will go into mourning.
     
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  6. dtowndough

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    agree Don, can't imagine what ESPN would do with no NY or Boston. Might be tolerable to watch at that point, they would actually have to analyze the game. Does ESPN even do that?
     
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  7. timmyg

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    They'd just keep doing what they've been doing past 5-6 years: pay the league some lip service, then ask if {insert QB name here} can be considered "Elite", and what LeBron's "legacy" is.
     
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  8. dcheather

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    What is this ESPN of which you speak? Oh yeah, the channel I turn on when there's a soccer game and then debate whether I should put it on mute.
     
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  9. timmyg

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    Oh also with the Sox and Rays throwing in the towel the O's may take the division!!!!!!

    (Annnnnd promptly get bounced in 3 by Detroit or Oakland and not score a single run all series mamma mia have mercy)
     
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  10. AggieMatt

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    After the last decade plus of futility, I'm just happy to see the Birds back in contention to make the playoffs every couple of years. Well, that and the return of the tri-colored hats and the birdface!

    If the pitching prospects in the pipeline come good (Gausman, Bundy, Harvey), they may have their shot at winning something in a few years.
     
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  11. nevzter

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    I watched portions of the O's and A's a week or two back - the O's have a good club and Showalter. The Tigers and A's appear to have just gone "all in" yesterday. My Giants stood pat, which isn't all that bad b/c they usually do a waiver deal if they're still in the mix in August, which given the NL, I'm hoping they would be in hunt.

    And, Jump, I want to make a pilgrimage to see the Red Birds someday as well - rich with history and looks to be a great ballpark (and I've forgiven Jose Oquendo and Ozzie Smith).
     
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  12. Clevelandmo

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    I was in Inner Harbor a month ago explaining to my son that the Orioles are good but it doesn't matter because they will never do anything in the eastern division. WTH happened? :doh:
     
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  13. HatterDon

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    Although their new ballpark is easy on the eyes, it has basically ensured that Baltimore will never build a dominating franchise again. Like Cincinnati, the ballpark was designed to create as many homers as possible. There's no dimension in either outfield that allows a fly-ball pitcher to make a living. You can't develop a dynasty without a dominating pitching staff. Boston, Yankee Stadium, even Minute Maid Park has one deep area in the outfield where a fly ball pitcher can make a living. Cincy and Baltimore don't have it.

    The new stadium in Baltimore is gorgeous, but it's doomed the Orioles to perennial second-rate status. Sure, they'll do well this season, and Cincy did well a couple seasons ago, but look where they are now.
     
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  14. dcheather

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    I'm not sure I follow your argument completely. Two teams play against each other in the same stadium, one's not playing in Yankee stadium while the other is playing in Camden Yards during the game. Your argument is similar to what Red Sox fans were saying for years about Fenway Park as one of their reasons why they couldn't win a WS--it just don't follow any logic. Good pitchers will triumph no matter where the mound is located. Baltimore's problem has been it's owner for several years, Peter Angelos. Now that he's been butting out of things more and hired Buck, they've found some success.
     
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  15. HatterDon

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    The difference is that Baltimore's pitchers have to perform in that park 81 times a season. How they pitch there affects how they pitch everywhere else.
     
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  16. dcheather

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    If your team has a good pitching rotation and bullpen, it doesn't matter the stadium. Good pitchers figure out how to get batters out, eliminating runners on base and runs scored for the opposing team. If they can only rely on one stadium to get batters out, they're not very good. If you build a team correctly that has a stadium with personality quirks it should work to your advantage. I have seen nothing to support your claims about Camden Yards as a reason why they can't succeed, one constant they've had since the opening of the stadium is the owner who is extremely unpopular with its own fanbase. Plus, this short LF (The Green Monster) in Fenway Park excuse has been now been proven wrong 3 times in the last 10 years. If a team doesn't win, it's most likely because from top to bottom they are not as good as the other teams they face during that season.

    Plus, here are some stats that say Camden Yards is one of the least hitter friendly parks in MLB for 2014:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

    MLB Park Factors - Through August 2, 2014
    RK PARK NAME RUNS HR H 2B 3B BB
    1 Coors Field (Denver, Colorado) 1.370 1.360 1.242 1.110 1.654 1.016
    2 Busch Stadium (St. Louis, Missouri) 1.144 0.936 1.025 1.217 1.601 1.068
    3 Globe Life Park in Arlington (Arlington, Texas) 1.121 1.005 0.988 0.837 2.247 0.996
    4 Chase Field (Phoenix, Arizona) 1.116 1.117 1.051 1.155 1.947 0.916
    5 Rogers Centre (Toronto, Ontario) 1.104 1.399 1.066 1.129 1.506 0.891
    6 Comerica Park (Detroit, Michigan) 1.102 1.017 1.063 0.878 2.649 1.126
    7 Target Field (Minneapolis, Minnesota) 1.072 1.095 1.011 0.980 1.174 1.083
    8 Kauffman Stadium (Kansas City, Missouri) 1.033 0.933 0.992 1.019 1.273 0.957
    9 Marlins Park (Miami, Florida) 1.031 0.826 0.998 1.015 1.644 0.984
    10 Great American Ball Park (Cincinnati, Ohio) 1.029 1.556 0.975 0.894 0.957 1.158
    11 PNC Park (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) 1.026 0.621 1.085 1.190 0.905 1.075
    12 Nationals Park (Washington, D.C.) 1.018 0.761 1.085 1.108 0.242 1.003
    13 Tropicana Field (St. Petersburg, Florida) 1.013 0.813 1.001 0.917 0.657 1.031
    14 Progressive Field (Cleveland, Ohio) 0.998 1.086 1.015 1.086 0.496 0.922
    15 Wrigley Field (Chicago, Illinois) 0.995 0.988 0.957 1.008 0.992 1.144
    16 U.S. Cellular Field (Chicago, Illinois) 0.993 0.907 0.978 0.894 1.338 1.175
    17 O.co Coliseum (Oakland, California) 0.986 0.969 0.991 1.001 0.916 1.003
    18 Minute Maid Park (Houston, Texas) 0.981 1.095 0.978 1.021 1.898 0.971
    19 Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts) 0.972 0.708 1.017 1.562 0.753 1.113
    20 Turner Field (Atlanta, Georgia) 0.947 1.030 0.975 0.850 0.602 0.943
    21 Angel Stadium of Anaheim (Anaheim, California) 0.929 0.835 1.022 1.053 0.558 0.888
    22 AT&T Park (San Francisco, California) 0.927 0.668 0.980 0.937 2.333 0.906
    23 Yankee Stadium (New York, New York) 0.925 1.545 1.010 0.897 0.569 0.951
    24 Miller Park (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) 0.921 1.062 0.920 0.774 0.491 0.882
    25 Citi Field (New York, New York) 0.911 1.039 0.968 1.087 0.822 1.046
    26 Petco Park (San Diego, California) 0.905 0.862 0.935 0.875 1.240 1.043
    27 Dodger Stadium (Los Angeles, California) 0.904 1.141 0.934 1.166 0.290 0.844
    28 Citizens Bank Park (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) 0.891 1.109 0.946 0.911 1.018 1.103
    29 Safeco Field (Seattle, Washington) 0.855 1.052 0.879 0.776 0.310 0.895
    30 Oriole Park at Camden Yards (Baltimore, Maryland) 0.823 0.866 0.931 0.919 0.509 0.976
     
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  17. jumpkutz

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    Bingo.
     
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  18. HatterDon

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    Yes, the stats are good for 2014, and they were probably great for Cincy two seasons ago, but I don't think they'll last.

    And you keep missing my main point, Senator. In Cincinnati and Baltimore, there is NO outfield position that a fly ball pitcher can thrive in. It's an easy HR shot from foul pole to foul pole. By contrast, Houston and Boston -- each of whose home stadium has a short porch in left field, has huge expanses in left-center and center field. Yankee Stadium has large expanses in left center as well. When a hitter knows that he's got a sure out in 1/2 or 2/3rds of his outfield, he's going to be less likely to go for it than if he knows that a long fly ball anywhere has a good chance of getting out.

    And speaking of Fenway, the problem for Boston in that park has ALWAYS been that it hurts their hitting -- NOT their pitching. Right hand hitters try to groove their swing for the short left porch and wind up hitting soft pop ups on the road as well. The best hitters in Boston history always prospered by ignoring it, but -- especially with a young team -- the wall hurts the hitters more than it does the pitchers.
     
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  19. dcheather

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    And you're missing my main point, a good pitching staff conquers all regardless of stadium. Since Mussina, the Orioles haven't had an ace that struck a lot of fear. And it's probably their biggest reason why they won't do anything again this year. And if you don't want flyballs in your stadium, then get a ground ball pitcher--they work well in any stadium with a decent fielding team.
     
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  20. dcheather

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    And Don, I just don't know why you keep claiming Fenway to be friendly to pitchers, the history just does not show your claim to be true.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2022 ... rs/page/14
    http://www.billjamesonline.com/the_best ... ers_parks/

     
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