We all better use our heads...

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    The George Allen / James Webb senate race has revealed the ugly side in partisan politics, and gained national press but we dont have the SLIGHTEST ideas of their various views on the actual issues they are running on..

    First there was the 'Macaca' debate.. which Allen probably deserved for using childish language when he's out and about, but THEN, somehow, it became important that Allen's Grandma had been born a JEW!!!!

    And NOW... there is a 'discussion' about whether or not Allen had - ever in his life- used the 'N'-word!!!

    And those saying he HAD on national TV later saying, under the resulting thunder that this brought about, that they never heard him do so personally, but 'credible people' told him they heard it.

    Meanwhile his opponent, says he has used the word and confides that 'Everyone who grows up around here uses that word' some time or another.

    While none of the above crap can be directly attributed to Webb's campaign... you have to wonder about the product quality of our higher institutions.

    I will assume these people, journalists and political staff alike, actually HAVE journalism or Poli-sci degrees. But if this demonstrates their level of thought and reason, then I regret less and less that I dropped out of the ivory tower. Because I saw exactly this sort of thing going on there.

    But, the MAIN worry I have is the seeming ever-decreasing quality of people running for office.

    I mean... who REALLY wants to go through that kind of shit!
     
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  2. FFCinPCB

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    As pointed out last night on the news, Allen's opponent provided Allen a much needed "pass" on this by sayoing something amounting to, "If you lived Virginia during the timese we did growing up, you would be hard pressed to find someone whose lips the N-word did not pass through."

    A Democrat to the rescue again.......

    That said, having grown up in the South, and the fact that so many people credit Allen with using the word, I doubt Mr. Allen, regardless of how much money he has, deserves to buy his way into our political system. Not to say we don't already have overt racists in the system, but do we really need another? That was rhetorical. NO we do not.
     
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  3. pettyfog

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    Then Allen is a newby, right? I wasnt aware of that.
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    the POINT is that Allen's accusers are apparently all Dems, Webb saying what he did didnt justify it, if true.
    Though, in reality, it IS most likely true ... doesnt that make it a non-sequiter?

    Heh.. I get it, and have for a long time: "It's not the facts in evidence, it's the seriousness of the charges!"

    I further propose that Webb wasnt being apologetic for Allen, he was covering his own ass for the event that someone came up with the same charges against him.

    I take it, though, that you have no problems with the issue outlined in my post: this is only illustrative of one reason why candidate quality is declining.
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    Meanwhile here's a good take on the bona-fides of the two candidates, and why this crap has backfired AGAIN... it's similar to what I thought based on the scant REAL news I'd seen:
    There's Got to Be a Pony In There!
    so, we'll have a few more commenters on KOS and DU saying that staging a coup is the ONLY way the RIGHT PEOPLE will ever come to power... because American voters are idiots and dont understand the 'real issues'
     
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  4. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    And here is a good take on partisan politics: How partisan is too partisan?

    - Lanny Davis, from his book.
     
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  5. mnlandshark

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    Petty, this is easily the most important question out there right now. At some point it became about having a clean background and not having done anything then the ability to get stuff done even with some questionable past experience...

    There are a lot of people in my circle that have pondered getting involved in local politics with the desire to move ever upward, but we've all come to the same conclusion, "Why would I want some punk reporter digging into stuff I did years ago when I was young and stupid?".

    Now for those who do horribly stupid stuff as adults (post-25 years old), I have no sympathy... hang it around your neck, have a good response, and hope you get by with it...

    That being said, there are only a handful of truly worthy people out there for the Presidency. Because it's a "newspaper post" (great idea, petty), I won't get into my feelings on who they are or which side of the aisle come from. But the problem is, those people don't want to be President.

    What happened to us as a country and as a system when the dream of being President is out-weighed by the dream of being the CEO?
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    RE: Re: We all better use our heads...

    You don't know who Jim Webb, is Petty? He was Navy Secretary for Reagan. The reason he's so unpopular with VA's Republican voters is that, since their days at the USNA, he's been a rival/critic of the Great God Ollie North.

    And hey, don't you live in Ohio? What's up with all this concern about VA and CT senate races and TX congressional races?
     
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  7. dcheather

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    RE: Re: We all better use our heads...

    Relevant questions right now, I just got an email saying a certain Rep from Florida is stepping down due to "inappropriate" relations with a male page--and I don't think any of the pages are of consenting ages. Ugh, so it goes.

    I definitely put that down as a disqualifying behavior in Presidential candidates, and that is probably why the press are so attracted to digging the dirt on candidates. They never know when they might hit the jackpot.
     
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  8. HatterDon

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    Say Fog, can you provide a couple of examples of reputable non-Republican, non-conservative commentators who recommend overthrowing the United States government in order to put "the Right People" in power? And I mean actually quoting them? And providing their names?

    'Cause, if you can, I think I'd like to ask my Congressman and my two Senators to investigate people using the airwaves to "advocate the armed overthrow of the United States government."

    Thanks, pal.
     
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  9. FFCinPCB

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    Touche!?
     
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  10. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    I split off the Foley issue into its own thread... because it's likely to get a little .. ahem ... partisan.

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    Don, no I cant point to any reputable Progressives or Socialists advocating that.

    Nor can I point to any reputable global Muslim leaders advocating the intimidation of Western Society into bowing to them and installing the Caliphate and governinng us all by Islamic Law.

    I CAN however link to any number of supposed "Leaders and thinkers" who are encouraging this. And the rhetoric is ALWAYS there...
     
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    I cannnot help but wonder, is BuSh a supposed "leader and thinker"?
     
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    I cant help but wonder if Liberals REALLY support the charter of the "Americans with Disabilities Act".

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    The continual Drive-By, diversionary potshots against Bush like the one above only serve to make me laugh... they cant explain how Dubya's GPA was higher than Kerry's.
    Cant explain how Dubya managed to get an MBA FROM HARVARD {you DONT buy them, no matter who you are}... cant explain how a man with such brilliant oratorical skills as Kerry can seem to not have an original thought in his head, only an ambition to be president.

    And last but not least... they dont explain TED KENNEDY!

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    George Allen and James Webb: Confederacy of Dunces?

    Gee... that kinda gets this back on-topic, doesnt it!
     
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  13. HatterDon

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    1. W got his admittance to Yale with his receiving blanket. It's called White Male Protestant's Affirmative Action.

    2. Kerry's GPA at Yale was lower that 2.0?

    3. W got admitted to the most prestigeous MBA program in the US with a C average in college? How did that happen? Must be White Male Protestant's Affirmative Action.

    But I'm glad you're asking the questions, Fog, cause it helps to identify all of us who question the president's qualifications and accomplishments as not being realistic or paying attention.

    I'm ready now for my lecture on how W's Vietnam accomplishments volunteering for an election campaign in Alabama is superior to Kerry's Purple Hearts, McCain's residence in the "why do you think they called it the Hanoi Hilton," or Max Cleland's three missing limbs.
     
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  14. FFCinPCB

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    BuSh makes me laugh all the time. Sometimes it's funny, ha-ha laughing, but mostly it is that nervous kind of uncomfortable worry laughter.
     
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    BUSH SUCKS!!! NEED I SAY MORE??
     
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  16. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm... been listening to Dick Durbin, huh? He's about as smart as George Voinovich - not much. .
     
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    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Bumped because of:..Warner Won't Run for Presidency in '08

    Which, I think, illustrates the point.
     
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