US v Honduras

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  1. SoCalJoe

    SoCalJoe Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to Der Kairser (pro and con) a couple meaningless friendlies are curious affairs. Glancing back at the call-ups I noticed Guzan isn't on there, does anyone know his situation? I'm guessing Howard and Duece will play and be on a plane back to England before the Ecuador match, so the lineup I'm guessing will be;

    Howard
    Chandler Gooch Boca Dolo
    Shea Edu Bradley Deuce
    Jozy Buddle

    Would like Klins to experiment w/Clint playing in the center and Edu in front of the back 4, since there is no Holden or Torres, but I doubt he'll try it. Just hope he puts in 2 forwards (please don't leave Jozy to fend for himself).
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    Guzan hasn't featured since Der Joke took over. He was on loan last season and is getting games, but Villa has only had him on the bench -- even in their recent League Cup match. Here's hoping he can get out of there soon.

    I'm looking forward to the match -- what's the over/under on when JK will recognize that Jozy and Agudelo need another striker to play off? Why in the world does he not play them together.

    Buddle? Really?
     
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  3. dcheather

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    He hasn't featured in awhile...even under Bradley. I think we'll see a 4-4-2 formation this time, I think the experimenting will begin to cease. Klinsmann needs a victory soon to help the team and quiet the critics.
     
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  4. SoCalJoe

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    HD, only reason I mentioned Buddle is the need to have another forward play w/Jozy. Don't really care if it's Buddle, Bunbury, or Ageudelo. As for Buddle at least knows where the net is, looked it up and since going to LA in '07 he's scored 50 goals in 110 matches, and scored twice last week in Germany.
     
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  5. nevzter

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    concacaf regulations (and der kommissar's gesetz) prohibit a squad from starting two forwards who each have last names that begin with the letter "A".
     
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  6. Clevelandmo

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    I'm not expecting Der Cheerlieter to relent on his attacking formations yet, but I think he may go back to the 4-2-3-1 he played v Mexico. I predict we'll see something like this with the subs in ( ):

    ‘dolo - Gooch - Boca -Chandler
    Beckerman(Williams) - Edu
    Bradley - Dempsey - Beasley(Shea)
    Altidore(Agudelo)


    What I would like to see with my subs in ( ):

    dolo - Gooch - Boca - Chandler(Orozco)
    Dempsey - Bradley(Spector) - Edu - Beasley(Shea)
    Altidore - Buddle (Agudelo)

    If I remember correctly Orozco played left back for us in the last Olympics and did a good job until he was red carded early in the game v Nigeria and pretty much extinguished our chances. If Klinsi is going to insist on bringing him into camp then I would like to him play in this position.
     
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  7. MisterF

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    Glad to see the US get their first win under Klinsmann.


    Didnt get the watch the game but saw some of the highlights. What a goal from Dempsey!
     
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  8. jumpkutz

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    I don't know what that move Deuce made to switch the ball to his other foot to give him room to shoot that dart, but the whole thing was sweet! Got gyped on the second one. Glad we got the result, too.
     
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  9. dcheather

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    I can't comment too much on the game since it was during dinnertime and I only got to see the last 30 minutes straight. But the official score should have been 2-0 US, Dempsey with a brace. And if everybody had put away their chances like they should have 4-4. That was the worst defensive performance by the US under Klinsmann... Howard and poor finishing gave them a clean sheet. And those refs were a joke.
     
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  10. Clevelandmo

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    I didnt get to watch it either and forgot to push record before I left. Fox is rebroadcasting it tonight at 8pm ET.
     
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  11. dcheather

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    Highlights:

    [fox]d8dd6695-d231-440b-8079-13616698c721[/fox]
     
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  12. nevzter

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    Demps second was a regular concacaf eff up bc that was a good goal. Boca is beginning to look slow at the intl level - still an asset, but the trends are showing. Orozco at his point should be a backup and good to see gooch despite his incredible miss. Shea, despite his noonaning the open goal, showed improvement again. He's not long for mls and the sky's the limit at the moment. Williams was ok, beckerman is steady, but a step slow and I loved Beas' pace late. Altidore seemed to work his tail off and looked pretty good. Bradley was an asset but seemed to make a few nervous passes that were uncharacteristic in my mind.
    Howard was a beast. Is he getting better with age?
    The goal by Dempsey really showed his class - to the folks who slag his intl play, $&@?! Off
     
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  13. HatterDon

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    The View From South Texas -- USA v. Honduras

    Well, that was a bit better, wasn’t it?

    On a rainy windswept night, the Old Firm of Dempsey and Howard secured Jurgen Klinsmann’s first victory as the USMNT coach. It should have been easier, but it wasn’t thanks mostly to the weather conditions. It could have been much harder, but it wasn’t thanks mostly to several key players missing from the Honduras squad.

    First the positives:

    Clint Dempsey may have played his best game for the USA last night – not only in skill and technique, but also in leadership and emotion management. His goal was well taken, and I still don’t understand why his second was waved off. It seemed fine to me. His passing and defensive work was up to his Fulham standard. Speaking of which, given his performance in the last two or three Fulham matches and his performance last night, we may all be witnessing our Texan in the best form of his professional life. Let’s hope he’s on a plane back to London as I type this.

    Tim Howard is certainly the closest thing we have to a World Class footballer. Considering the slickness of the pitch and the ball, he made some amazing saves last night. Little commented on by the announcers was, for me, his very best. A screamer of a free kick deflected by the wall that Howard not only collected but was able to move his body behind in the process to make it look routine. I know that flying saves get all the oohs, ahhs, and replays, but that particular save was Gordon Banks Class. It’s a shame that he had to make even one save, really, but that’s another story.

    Jozy Altidore has arrived. He is a man and, more than that, he is a fully grown striker. Running up front with Dempsey and Shea, he was industrious, created space for himself, found his teammates in good scoring positions, and really should have had at least one assist on the night. The number 9 shirt is his, and I’d really like to see the striker who is good enough to take it from him.

    Brek Shea keeps getting better and better, doesn’t he? Yes, he fell down when he had an easy tap in for our second, but he played both wings brilliantly and set up Dempsey for our goal. He’s got a very nice burst of pace to take him around a fullback. He did that a few times and it reminded me of Donovan. Can’t teach pace. I think he might be loan fodder for a European league somewhere come January.

    Daniel Williams is someone I know absolutely nothing about, but he looks every inch a smart, quick, attacking midfielder. I liked a lot of his game last night and I look forward to more appearances from him.

    Wasn’t it nice to see Demarcus Beasley back in a USA shirt and bugging the shit out of the opponents? Of all our substitutions, his was the one that injected the most life into our attack. I never see him as a starter, but it’ll be nice to have him come in off the bench. It was fun to see the skinny little kid out there. It was also good to see Gooch back, although he did look a bit out of control at times.

    The negative comments all come as a result of JK’s decision that all balls had to be played out of the USA half slowly and with short passes. While it did display a lot of discipline, it also allowed Honduras to stay well upfield and for their midfielders to nick possession NOT in the middle of the park but dangerously close to our penalty area. Honduras fielded a side that shouldn’t have gotten a decent look on goal, but was constantly on the verge of scoring – especially in the first half – because we invited them to play in our half. I know that the wind and the rain had a lot to do with this decision, but a long ball or two up to Altidore would have gone a long way towards keeping them homest in defense and keeping them from our doorstep the entire match.

    There was a LOT of lost possession in our half, and all of it was due to our strategy. Cherundolo, Edu, Beckerman, and Bocanegra were the chief culprits, and that in itself points to our tactics. Each of these players is great at turning defense into attack with one good pass. Instead, they played sideways and backwards and invited more pressure, and inevitably this pressure led to loss of possession and shots on goal.

    I guess you could say that I'm still not all that impressed with Klinsmann.

    Never mind. It was an entertaining performance, and I am feeling more positive about our attack than I have since CD9 drove up the BW Parkway almost two years ago.

    Hatter Don’s MotM is Clint Dempsey – without a doubt. COYRWB
     
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  14. pettyfog

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    Nice writeup, Don.

    I didnt even know they were playing. How bad is that.

    But I have been following the discussion on Klinnsmann a little.. sorry to say he's a worse fit than I thought he would be and I thought that because of his issues before Bradley was picked.

    A head coach/manager needs FOCUS.

    Right, Jim Tressel?
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  15. bosniaba

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    It should be a great game and there are no meaningless friendlies if there were no friendlies how would some players get a chance to show them self to a coach so it is great to have friendlies sometimes in there
     
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  16. Clevelandmo

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    Thanks for the write-up HatterDon. I pretty much agree with everything you said. Here are a few of my observations now that I've seen the match. Okay way more than a few. :oops:

    The Good - Clint Dempsey of course. I suspect Klinsmann gives him more freedom than some coaches have given and I think he enjoys it. I agree with Don that he is in the form of his life. Everything about his game seems a little bit sharper than it was this time last year. The left footed goal was a thing of beauty.

    Jozy is also in the form of his life and hopefully it is only the beginning. I think Don implied he is the best striker the US has and I agree with that. His off the ball movement and vision in the match was very good. He might also be benefitting from loosened reigns because it wasnt that long ago that he seemed clueless on off the ball movement for Villarreal.

    Agree with Nevzter that the sky appears to be the limit at the moment for Shea. I'm looking forward to he and Jozy giving defenses all they can handle for years to come and in Olympic qualifying. The combo of his passing and ability to dribble at defenders is a serious weapon. I didnt think his flubbed chance was that bad, the ball took a little skip and didnt arrive quite where he was expecting. Hopefully, when he does go to Europe he'll have learned from Jozy and Freddy's experiences and will end up in a place where he is supported.

    Edu was threatening most of his minutes, almost got a goal. I look forward to the day he scores a goal that isnt disallowed.

    Like others said it was great to Beasley and Gooch again. Beasley appears to be in form again and his long European nightmare is over. He will definitely be useful for world cup qualifying. I agree with Don that he was the most lively sub.

    Chandler and Willilams are both skilled players that regularly make the right pass and the right decision. I do think Chandler needs to be on the right.

    I was most happy about Spector getting some time. In the ten or so minutes he played, he put in the best cross of the night from any player with his far post feed to Dempsey on the disallowed goal. He also had a nice cross to Beasley that almost split the defenders and led to a good goal scoring opportunity. He is easily the best US player that doesnt get minutes.

    Bradley played well and was the smartest player on the field for the US. Our midfield was clearly better once he was in.

    Finally, Timmy as usual was among the good with great saves, focus, and energy.

    The Bad Orozco again did not play in a way that justified his starting and perhaps his call-up. If Klinsmann wants to try him at Left back I have no problem with him getting future looks otherwise we have better central defenders. I'm really not getting this idea of needing to have a central defender in there as a distributer. I think it is just a fad. Any professional defender can pass out of the back to the deep midfielders. If you want longer accurate distribution then the midfielders and goalkeepers can do that; it's their job. We need central defenders that can defend first and foremost. The US simply isnt good enough to afford the luxury of a Ream or Orozco that is incrementally better at distributing the ball.

    While Beckerman wasnt bad, I agree with Nevzter that he was too slow. Some games he looks international quality and some games he doesnt. Considering we have Edu, Bradley, Spector, Jones and perhaps Williams that can all play his role, I dont think he should be in the mix. For me he is like Torres, definitely a good player but not good enough to beat out the other players at that position.

    The most notable bad of the night was our defense. I could discern very little organization, especially in the first half. The time Costly got in behind our defense he was NOT offside. 'Dolo kept him onside and Orozco had no idea where our line was. Based on the US defensive performances under Klinsmann, I have little doubt that Lamm was being honest when he said that Klinsmann leaves the defensive tactics up to the players.

    The Ugly The Miami fans. Not because of how they looked but because until the day before the match less than 3000 tickets had been purchased, and 300 of those were Jozy's friends and family. US soccer had to give away free tickets to get the 21,000 they got.

    The weather.

    The Fox Soccer report for describing that as a dominant US performance. I thought it was far from it and am not at all convinced on Klinsmann.
     
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  17. SoCalJoe

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    Great write-up HD! Had to help chaparone 170 jr. high kids to the UCLA-Washington St. gridiron game on last second notice and missed it except for the highlights. Happy to read Shea played well again, and hope all parties involved in where he goes puts him in a good situation.

    Couldn't help but notice Clint wore the #10, wonder how that came about :?:

    Have to give it up to the Beas. Seriously how many times have all of us written him off? I know I was guilty big time. Just goes to show that when you go about your business, work hard, and believe in your abilities, good things happen. What a model professional.

    I know he missed a good chance, but what did everyone think of Gooch's performance? Does he look like he's moving better?
     
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  18. HatterDon

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    Mo, I think you used up an entire four months worth of agreeing with me in your excellent write-up. I'm hoping that Klinsmann learned from his tactical screw-up and that we'll give our defenders a little more freedom to vary their transitions to attack.

    SCJ: Gooch could easily have gotten a yellow in his first bit of action -- or even a red if you use Germany 2006 refereeing standards. Aside from that, he looked good. He's playing central defense again with Sporting, and has started their last 6 or 7 matches. He'll only get better with use, health, and confidence.

    I'm still thinking that Goodsen will have to feature in our best back four, but the "old firm" of Gooch and Boca certainly cooked better than Boca and Orozco. I agree with Mo: put Orozco at LB if you're going to use him.
     
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  19. Clevelandmo

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    You need to change that to, ". . . how many times have all of us, except Mo, written him off". I believe Spencer didnt write him off either but it might have been Ian.

    I should have put Klinsmann numbering game in my bad or ugly section. If he wants to determine the US "style" then please let us have our numbers rather than the classic futbol #'s 1 -11. It's almost as if any part of the American style that has been established, without his enlightenment, he wants to take away. Dempsey is # 8, Landycakes is # 10, people paid good money to buy jerseys that way, dammit. Hands off! Oh and please give us our names on the back. We want our heros and we want to be able to profile for prima donas when the point to their name.
     
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  20. jumpkutz

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    I keep looking at Dempsey's goal over and over and over and over. Just sick, how good that kid is. That little switch move he made rolling the sole of his boot over the top of the ball BACKWARDS to his left foot, then letting fly with that lazer to the corner. Just too sweet. Gotta go. Gonna watch it again....
     
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