Sepp Blatter

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  2. GaryBarnettFanClub

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    The stongest argument against technology it that football is played using exactly the same rule weather the people playing are at Old Trafford or down the park with jumpers for goal posts.

    However, for me, that argument is not good enough as down the park the consequences are not the same. The FA and Prem League can introduce technology without the backing of FIFA for their own competitions. If they did that and it worked well the rest would follow. Blatter is a waste of space anyhow.
     
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    If that's the strongest argument, I wonder why this was not introduced a long time ago. I think there must be a strong (read: rich) lobby of people, groups, etc., that think replay will end up costing them lots of money. To me it sounds like Sepp may be in some pockets. Prehaps his strong stance on this issues just may cost him his job, and then his little line in the sand won't matter one iota.
     
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  4. dcheather

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    Well, consider me a rich lobby, because I hate the idea of refs stopping a soccer match to look at replays. It's one of the reasons I prefer this football to the American one. I like the game's free flow.

    If anything stopping the game would probably mean more money, because then they could go to commercials.
     
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  5. ChicagoTom

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    But as I said to a friend the other day, what is wrong with stopping the game a few minutes to make sure a call was made correctly? There is way, way, way too much riding on these games to have the ref miss a call. I am all in favor of instant replay in most all sports, including soccer. It can and should be done.
     
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    Goal line technology is fine with me. Instant replays, nope.
     
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    I'm with DCH. Fitba is all about the ebb and flow. Goal line technology to rid us of the Roy Carrollisms, but NO INSTANT REPLAY.

    Remember the Oklahoma fiasco this year. The person with the replay responsibility is the member of the crew least qualified to be on the field.
     
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    I feel instant replay should be used to penalties. With all the diving that takes place in the game these days and the referees having to make split second decisions, it only seems right to give the ref a second or third look to verify the call he/she made is correct.

    Goal line technology is a given. That should already be in place.

    As I said earlier, there is just way too much riding on these games for a referee to make a mistake and cost a team points in the table and ultimately money.
     
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    When are replays used? If a player is given a yellow card should you be able to replay to see if it was deserved? What if the yellow was for persistant foul play, should all the incidents be reviewed? If not - what if they get a second yellow, can they then appeal the first? How about fouls that are outside the box and given as penalties? What about a referee's missing diving - it's a yellow card offence.

    I still believe that technology is important, but that it has to happen in the flow of the game.

    Going back to cricket - it is a stop start game, but technology to support the umpires have been limited to avoid breaking the rhythm of the play.

    I would have a 5th official with a monitor / editing suite and radio link to the ref where he can give further advice, real time to the ref. How often has TV shown a mistake before the ref has evenmoved back the wall? I would also bring in a facility for managers to cite oppostion players for foul play after the game (taken from rugby). That way divers and dangerous play can be delt with after the event, eventually if they are caught enough they should stop doing it!
     
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    I am not saying every single play should be reviewed, but I do think penalties inside the box should be.
     
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    I'm with Tom, if you haven't already figured out. Too many people against this technology like to frame the argument as nearly an all or nothing proposition. Goal line technology, as Tom says, should be a given (and perhaps OB also). The game stops on penalty kicks anyway, so instead of running over to point at the spot and fiddle with a card, how about first running over to check the replay first OR having them check the replay upstairs and provide a decision via those oh-so NOT traditional, free flowing microphones attached to the referee's head. What's at stake besides a game that has already stopped? Just a few million dollars, pounds, whatever. The game has evolved many times over the years, so don't give me that free, natural, traditional, flow of the game bullshit anymore.

    Also, Id' like to see cards and/or fines given after matches for diving. Plenty of time to review that after the match. It is cheating, plain and simple, regardless of what that oversized baby Diouf says.

    When did winning fairly start getting trumped by all this other crap?? You all may call yourself fitba purists for same or different reasons. I'm a purists of all sports, which means I believe in playing and winning fairly.
     
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    The thing is most penalty calls are not clear cut. If you check some of the messageboards about how the US Women won the Gold Cup you would know what I mean. There are people arguing that is was a penalty and some are not. Most of the time you're not going to have a clear-cut descisive evidence one way or the other with video replay. It would just stop the game for them to fiddle with damn replays.

    I say this as a US Men's team fan where our boys have suffered from some rather dubious calls in 2 recent World Cups, I don't want the descision making going to some replay booth up in the stands, and they stop the damn game. Poor referring is a part of sporting life, I've learned to live with it. If you want to cut out the diving then review tapes and punish the culprits after the game, a couple games without playing or a hefty fine. I know the divers will still affect important situations, but it's up to the ref to make the right call.

    If replays were allowed, I fear the ref might start leaving the descisions up to someone viewing replays. I don't want that to happen. Let's say a player gets hacked in the box, but the ref allows play to continue because he might have taken a dive but he's not sure so he allows play to continue. The other team counters and scores a goal. What the hell? What do you think deserves to happen? Let's say the player didn't dive, should the team that just scored be penalized because the ref didn't want to make that tough call? If he did dive, should the game have continued as it did or should the ref have stopped the game anyway? I think stopping the game to review these situations changes the game entirely from what we know it.

    To me it would become exactly what we have in the NFL with replay, which I said good riddance to this year. It takes too damn long to complete a game and the refs rely on replays too much because they're afraid to make the wrong call (It screwed the Pats in Denver last year in the playoffs). Plus, with soccer, I know the game is over in just under 2 hours.
     
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    I completely disagree with you on this. I feel that referees would be able to confidently call a penalty knowing that he/she can get the advice of people up in the booth to let them know he/she was right.

    With there only being one referee, how can we be so sure that the said referee has put himself/herself into a position to clearly see a play? With the various different camera angles, it is quite evident are watching the replays whether it was a penalty or not. When is the last time you watched a match on television and could not tell after watching replays whether a penalty was correctly called or not?

    The bottom line is that something needs to be done. Yes, you can fine, suspend divers after the fact, but as mentioned two other times, there is too much riding on the line in these games to let calls go like this.

    You mention that we have to just deal with bad refereeing from time to time. NO, we don't. With instant replay we would know if a penalty was justified or not. I would rather wait an extra two or three minutes to get a call right than to get pissed off that a penalty was called on Fulham when it was a clear dive.

    The other option would be to add another referee or even two. One is simply not enough with the pace and quickness of the game, refs cannot keep up with these people on the field and on the touch lines.

    As for the NFL dumping instant replay, I am against that as well. TWICE on Sunday the refs overturned complete passes to incomplete passes late in the first half of the Bears/Patriots game. Without instant replay, the Pats would have likely scored a touchdown as the latter play was "caught" inside the five. Anyways, we as Americans and as fans need to have more patience when it comes to taking a few minutes to make sure a call is correct.

    WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR INCOMPETENT REFS!!
     
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    We will settle with "incompetent" refs with or without replay, Tom. That's the point I'm trying to make. Instant replay has not made the games mistake free. It may have reduced some mistakes, but calls are still blown. Anybody watching that San Diego Charger game recently will tell that was not a foward pass. People get worked up over bad calls every single game, with or without replays.

    Implementing it in soccer, IMO, would change the game too much. It's not supposed to break play, the clock is always running. Sure the ref adds injury time, but even that can be too shaddy. I enjoy the game as is, warts and all.
     
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    I agree even with replays mistakes are made, but with replay, the number of mistakes dramatically decreases. That is all I am saying. I just want to make sure the calls being made in the penalty box, where penalties are converted at a high rate, are the correct decisions.

    Yes, it would slow the game down a bit, but as I said, I have no problems sacrificing a few minutes to make sure it is correct.

    I also think the Premiership and other soccer leagues could implement something where the manager can challenge one call a match inside the box. In other words, if a penalty is called against a manager's team, he can challenge it and make sure it was a correct decision. Once that manager has used his challenge, he cannot challenge any more that match.

    Injury time, like the last two minutes in the NFL, will be up to the disgression of the referee and the booth upstairs to call a replay on.

    There are ways to have replay involved in the game without it making the game screech to a crawl. I just feel that a committee needs to sit down and discuss this and figure out a way for all to be happy with this.
     
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    What she said ... without amplification or interpretation.
     
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    I strongly feel that it is a dangerous precident to set. Penalties would be the start. So other game altering decisions are refered to the referee. What about off-side? Red cards? Yellow cards?

    Where is the line drawn, an off-side goal scored is just as bad as a penalty wronglty awarded, so should all goals be reviewed for off-side?
     
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    I guess reasonable minds may differ. You can't convince me replay should not be more widely implemented, and I apparently can't convince you it should.

    Flow Of The Game v. Accuracy Of The Game, the battle continues. But you have a sneaking suspicion our side will eventually win, don't you? Admit it.
     
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    Re: RE: Sepp Blatter

    Get rid of offside. Return the game to its original form in regards to that rule.

    What? Where are the purists now??
     
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    Off-the-wall comment here:

    Have you noticed that we've chosen sides, expressed our points of view with some passion and even force, and haven't hesitated to state that we disagree with each other? Have you also noticed that we haven't attacked each other? Have you noticed the absence of "you just don't get it, do you" or "get your head out of the sand" or "wake up and smell the whatever" comments?

    THIS is why I spend 95 percent of my posting/post reading time on this site. You guys [and that includes you DCH] rock!
     
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