Senate vote to debate will pass

pettyfog · Nov 21, 2009

Mary Landrieu stayed bought, says she'll vote yes.

Blanche Lincoln (AR) apparently wants to live up to her name, she will vote yes too...
Buh-bye, Blanche! Secretary of Agriculture.. huh!

HatterDon · Nov 21, 2009

Let's see. What's better, debating the bill on the senate floor -- which might actually result in somebody from one of the parties taking the time to read it? -- or just sending doofuses out in front of empty chambers on CSPAN or empty minds on MSNBC/Fox Noise in front of empty heads?

I especially look forward to the spirited debate on that portion of the bill that guarantees your granny will be killed, not to mention the section that deals with forced abortion and turning your medical records over to Moscow and the UN.

Over the last 25 years or so the single biggest detriment to running a small or large business in the United States is the costs involved in employee medical insurance coverage. It's what continually busts companies or causes them to move their manufacturing overseas. With this in mind, it would seem to me that the avowed party of free enterprise capitalism would at least ATTEMPT to solve the health care crisis. I have sat here since January waiting for ONE congressional Republican to come up with ONE idea on how to fix this seriously broken system. All I have heard from congressional republicans is fear-mongering, misdirection, and lies.

I understand how opposition works, but I don't understand why -- in the middle of a world-wide economic crisis, and while we're fighting wars in two locations -- the Republicans have decided that working with the administration to solve ANY problem in the government will NOT happen. In 1994, when the "bi-partisanship with the White House means helping the Democrats succeed" game plan came in, it seemed silly and petty. Now, an entire political party refusing to take part in a government to which they've been elected seems almost criminal.

I know there are brilliant Republicans in congress. Could just ONE of them look at the health-care bill and say something along the lines of, "You're getting close to the right answer here, but you need to consider this?" It certainly would be comforting to me to think that they're working to try to solve our domestic and international problems rather than just trying to keep them from being discussed on the senate floor.

That's me for the rest of the month on politics.

pettyfog · Nov 21, 2009

I especially look forward to the spirited debate on that portion of the bill that guarantees your granny will be killed, not to mention the section that deals with forced abortion and turning your medical records over to Moscow and the UN.
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Well.. that's just dumb.

I could look it up on here.. but I'm pretty sure I never said it would be easy to fix medical costs.
And I notice you dont have a word to say about such fibs as the health care plan will create jobs and fix the economy. Or 'cost less'

But here's the thing.. when I raise a singular issue you never have a comment on it. All I see is some dumbass diatribe like that.

You want to debate one facet.. any one of them.. fine. Otherwise I wont miss you because you dont seem to have any views on the issues anyway.
Wonder why!

FFC24 · Nov 22, 2009

They voted yes. The momentum is in the democrats side, let's see if they can keep it. I doubt it though and the public option is probably going to come out as the dems are spineless bastards.

pettyfog · Dec 20, 2009

Health Care passage close

Reid Buys Nelson.
{You think it's really just about 'abortion funding' language? Wanna buy a bridge?}

Which gets the bill a nominal 60 votes, would allow floor debate cloture.

Meanwhile, far from addressing some GOP objections on cost containment, Tort Reform for malpractice cases actually goes backwards, as the John Edwards faction is rewarded by a clause allowing states to establish their own additional rules for sucking up money from the health system.
A two-count fail. Of course anyone in the health care system belonging to SEIU will be exempt from lawsuit.

And the states can continue to insist that they set rules for insurer coverage. I'm not sure exactly how much complying to state rules affects insurer costs but it sure's hell doesnt make it cheaper.

Now here's Joe Biden's take on it:

Most recently, in 1993, Democrats had a chance to forge a compromise with Senator John Chafee, Republican of Rhode Island, on a health care reform bill. Congress’s failure to pass health care reform that year led to 16 years of inaction — and 16 years of exploding health care costs and rising numbers of uninsured Americans.

We can’t let that happen again. While it is not perfect, the bill pending in the Senate today is not just good enough — it is very good.

Insurance companies will no longer be able to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions or drop coverage when people get sick. Charging exorbitant premiums based on sex, age or health status will be outlawed. Annual and lifetime caps on benefits will be history. Those who already have insurance will be able to keep it, and will gain peace of mind knowing they won’t be priced out of the market by skyrocketing premiums.

And more than 30 million uninsured Americans will gain access to affordable health care coverage.
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The lies are highlighted.

WhitesBhoy · Dec 20, 2009

Re: Health Care passage close

pettyfog said:

Now here's Joe Biden's take on it:

And more than 30 million uninsured Americans will gain access to affordable health care coverage.
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The lies are highlighted.
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I kind of really like the part that even you don't classify as a lie.

pettyfog · Dec 23, 2009

HCR: Cats and Dogs...

.. working together!

Now there's mortarfire from the left, {Dean doesnt count... no one listens to him} whereJane Hamsher of FireDogLake and Grover Norquist are asking for Investigation of Rahm, for corporate corruption.
That's just the opening round folks... the Dems who called Tea Party a collection of RedNeck Aryan kooks are going to have a hard time when the lefties start carrying the same signs.

This bill is a freaking windfall for State Corporatists... those who jumped on board for a subsidized ride.
Letter to a Sincere Leftist: Let's Smash the State Power of the Corporations

By Robert Tracinski

I have complained that the health-care bill is a big step toward socialism, but in the final form passed by the Senate, I have to admit that it is not a socialist bill, at least not in the form the contemporary left wants: a "single-payer" system in which government directly takes over the financing of medical care. Of course, it certainly isn't a pro-free-market bill, either. Instead, it's the worst monstrosity of all: a vicious intertwining of state power with nominally private corporations.

One of your own, Jane Hamsher, has offered a criticism that cuts to the very heart of what this bill does: she complains that it requires Americans to pay "8% of their incomes to private corporations who will use the IRS as their collection agency." That is the meaning of the "individual mandate," the requirement that everyone is forced to buy health insurance or pay a fine enforced by criminal penalties meted out by the IRS. She is right to point out the obscenity of the government forcing us to patronize private corporations, and she even understates the magnitude of the problem. Eight percent of our income is how much we will be required to pay before we can qualify for a government subsidy; above that point, insurance companies will get our 8% plus even more of our money paid directly to them by the government.

To state it precisely, what this bill does is to create a government-sponsored, government subsidized cartel of private health-insurance companies. It requires all new insurance policies to be offered on a government-created exchange regulated by a government bureaucrat, and it requires those policies to conform to certain government rules about how much the insurers can charge and about accepting customers with pre-existing conditions. In return, it offers the insurance companies a huge set of government favors, chief among them the individual mandate which is supposed to supply the insurers with a huge new captive market of unwilling customers.

This is the deal that the insurance companies made with the devil. They chose to become creatures of the state—so long as the state agreed to feed them. And that, my new friends on the left, is what ought to really provoke your outrage. The state is now committed to the care and feeding of its pet insurance companies.
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I said it a long time ago.. it looks a LOT like National Socialism. Now even the far left gets it.

- Look at Siemens' advertising. They been there, done that. Now we got GE too.

Of course, the Govt conspired windfalls are temporary. Then they go out of business because anyone in their right mind will drop their insurance, post haste.. only makes dollars and sense.

Leaving us.. not ALL of us, doesnt apply to congress.. with -TaDa- Single Payer.

WhitesBhoy said:

pettyfog said:

Now here's Joe Biden's take on it:

And more than 30 million uninsured Americans will gain access to affordable health care coverage.
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The lies are highlighted.
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I kind of really like the part that even you don't classify as a lie.
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It's a minor lie. What you wanna bet in four years it will take for this to start, there will STILL be 15,000 uninsured... while the rest of us pay 50% higher premiums for less service. And have been for years before we see anything out of it
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Bill passes in morning vote. 60-39 Bunning [R-ky]goes missing

Reid initially votes 'No' either due to exhaustion, or senility.. take your pick.

BTW, Did I mention this doesnt apply to Congress and its staff?
If it's so good, then.....

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