I was listening to LS's post-match comments and he mentioned his displeasure with the 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw format. He thought away wins and away draws should be given more credit. In fact, he proposed the following scoring scheme: Away win - 4 points Home win - 3 points Away draw- 2 points Home draw - 1 point Seems an interesting proposal to me but I've not had time yet to think it through. As our away form has traditionally been dreadful, I'm not sure how much this would help us although 2 for an away draw might I suppose. Thoughts?
I agree with him... but The home/away points are already covered in single table draws IF the league size is right. Better to just change points award for draws. 0 for scoreless 1 for draw with 1 goal each 2 for 2 or more.
Petty's suggestion sounds like a typical American gimmick -- you know, like 1-on1's so we don't have those pesky ties. I haven't done the math yet, but I think that under Lawrie's system, we'd be doing even worse than we are now. Here's the problem with either system: The big London-based EPL teams would benefit disproportionately. After all, if you're Arsenal, there's a big difference between an away match at Fulham and one at Wigan. Since there's more EPL sides in london than in any place else ... . Sides like MIddlesboro, Sunderland, and Newcastle would be penalized. Jus' sayin'
I'm not sure it's a great idea either. But I see was Sanchez is saying. We play well, score 3 goals in a match and b/c of our lackluster defence, we only get 1 point. Meanwhile, some team who plays poorly on offense but gets a late penalty or a lucky deflection can get the same point. Funny game, footy.
I believe Lawrie was venting his frustrations more than legitimately proposing a new system of scoring results. That was just my interpretation. I do believe the system needs to be adjusted and provide more justice (points) to those smaller sides that throw everything they have at a larger opponent and just walk away with a single point. There is always the philosophy though, if its not broke... don't fix it.
True, ToM. Actually, what they probably need is a draft system and a salary cap to level the playing field a bit. But that's a whole other thread...
Unfortunately a salary cap wouldn't work at all. Every league in Europe would have to agree on the terms to work, but that will never happen. If England actually went to a salary cap system there would be a mad dash to La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga. Players would go to the highest bidder... ahhhh it would a be right mess.
Too true. But things are really getting out of hand with the transfer fees, etc. How long do you think people will stand the same 4 teams at the top? Actually, probably a while as they make tons of cash for the league. Oh well, at least there's relegation to avoid. Otherwise, playing at the bottom of the table would have no drama at all
In Scotland, people have put up with the same 2 teams at the top since the days of William the Bruce! :shock:
Lol, good point! I guess it's a different mindset here in the US. If the same two teams always made the World Series, Super Bowl, etc, I think there would be big uproar.
Re: RE: Lawrie Proposes a New EPL Scoring System I love the big mess. It's market capitalism at its most competitive. If a team wants to win they've got to spend. That's life.
Major League Baseball more or less works this way. Yankees are always there in the end; Tampa Bay never.
Yeah, but it's not the same. You don't have 4 teams that consistently dominate the league every year. Sure, the Yankees and to some extent, my team, the Cardinals, have had their share of the titles. But when was the last time you had a team in the EPL like the Bo Sox or the Chi Sox come out of nowhere and win the title? A quick look at the winners list shows Blackburn and Leeds and Everton as the only non-big 4 to win it in the last 20 years. Eh, whatever. It is what it is. I'm more interested in the non-big 4 part of the table anyway. They can have their titles and Champions leage. I'll take a scrap with Wigan to stay in the EPL any day. That's where true football is played. Oh, alirght. I'd take the title But you know what I mean...
Personally Lawrie needs to spend more time devising a way for his team to win games rather than coming up with a revamped scoring system for wins, losses and draws. The changes he talks about will not happen anytime in the near future.
Re: RE: Lawrie Proposes a New EPL Scoring System Of course Don, being the Europhile, doesnt mention the shootout was tried with FIFA approval. I'm pretty sure if the FA tried it, he would just see it as what it was... MUCH better than pk's for resolution of tournament games. - However rejected for tradition's sake. But my suggestion above doesnt do away with the draw, just affects the tactics leading TO a draw. Way to dismiss with a wave of the hand, Don. Would awarding NO points for a scoreless draw make the game better on the field, yes or no?
Yeah, I know it isn't completely analogous, but that's because of the Champions League. The EPL simply doesn't exist in a vacuum... it exist within UEFA's continental structure. To suceed in Europe you have to have more players and more money, and to keep it going you have to get to the Champions League to make that money so you can buy those players. Those four teams also have the largest fan bases in England, and but for Chelsea, three of them will have by far the largest stadiums with which to generate more revenue than anybody else. Every once in a while a team like Blackburn will win it, but it won't likely happen over a long period of time. Just like the Pirates and Reds, and such. The Cubs and Red Sox are anomalies though. They should always be in it or near it because of where they play and who they are. The draft also has some affect on baseball as well.
The current point system is fine. Everyone plays everyone at home and away, most points wins. It couldn't be more fair. And zero points for a nil-nil is silly. Nil-nil doesn't mean the teams weren't attacking or entertaining.
RE: Re: RE: Lawrie Proposes a New EPL Scoring System Probably the fairest system I can think of, and one that will encourage teams to "go for it" would be to grant a 1 point bonus to all teams that score 3 or more goals. Yes, this means that a team that loses 4-3 will get something for it. Yes, this means that a team that wins 4-0 will get 4 points instead of 3. Any system which, at some threshold, rewards ties, encourages the teams to hold onto the draw instead of risk a the loss. After all, if you are tied 3-3 and will get 2 points if the score does not change and only 1 more point for the win (while losing 2 points if you lose), would you have your players push forward? There needs to be a 2 point difference between Winning and Losing, but I could see room for rewarding teams that play attacking football.
