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Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by pettyfog, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    FoxNews is showing the documentary, Obsession
    Saturday night at 8 p.m. ET, and will be repeated Sunday at 1 a.m. ET, 5 a.m. ET, 4 p.m. ET and 10 p.m. ET.


    Hell, makes ME afraid to watch it... and I fully believe this. Same reason I'm afraid to go back and re-read Bin Laden's Fatwa's.
    After all, he seems to have gauged us pretty well, when he said he and the radicals would win because the west is too full of self-interest, hedonism, and fear of blood to resist the radical movement.

    Perhaps, just one of you will have the guts to watch it... but you better not think too much about it... might ruin your convenient perceptions that Bush or the West is responsible for this.
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    What a shock that Fox News is showing this ... just before an election ... when their boy and his party are taking it in the shorts ... fair and balanced, you know.
     
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  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    What a shock that you say that... Don, I love ya, but your head is so far in the sand that Chinese beach bums are kicking sand in your face.

    And i know you get my reference...

    And i find it hard to believe that Rupert Murdoch actually has the cojones to stand up and allow this to be shown... despite the inevitable fatwa's that will be pronounced on him and others on FoxNews and the efforts by CAIR to label it 'hate-speech'


    In case you didnt get this:
    Our vision is often blinded by our own political correctness, which is used by extremists to their advantage. Instead of focusing on their deceptions and their ultimate intent on our destruction, we obsess on question like “Why do they hate us.”

    You can blame it on Bush... or call this propaganda if you like.... but gee, isnt it convenient that WHEN this becomes so obvious it CANNOT be ignored, I cant laugh with glee and say "TOLD"YA!" because I'll be weeping.

    Not that it isnt ALREADY obvious.... Malaysia and Indonesia atrocities have NOTHING to do with Bush or Iraq... only against Christians and the west, in general.

    In fact, i'll tell you what... I have dark unchristian thoughts when I read comments by those who deny this and blame US for this evil...
    I am ASHAMED of them, but in those thoughts I see those people at sometime in the future watching their wife sister and mother raped because they werent covered, and their fathers and brothers and friends decapitated for resistance to 'Islamic Truth' ...all this before the sword falls on them.

    Because it will only serve them right.. God forgive me.
     
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  4. HatterDon

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    Did I say I disagreed with anything you quoted, or the conclusions you drew?

    No, I didn't. I just said that the broadcast was obviously timed to influence the election in favor of the Republicans.

    I realize that it's very difficult for you and your ilk to say "I disagree with your opinion" or even "I think you're wrong." Rather, you find it necessary to riduclue, say those who disagree with you are ill informed, or stupid, or PC, or duped by socialist propaganda. But I think there's somebody in there who really wants to have a give-and-take, even if the cost is respecting the person you're debating with.

    So, here's my questions, and I'd like your considered opinion on them:

    1. Do you think that the timing is coincidental?
    2. Do you think that Fox News is scheduling this on this particular weekend in order to influence the election.

    I await your answers to see who's really checking out Yao Ming's toenails this morning
     
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  5. pettyfog

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    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING??

    Are you SAYING it's UNFAIR?

    Are you saying that Foley issue just HAPPENED???!!!!

    Are you saying the Colorado Preacher scandal JUST came to light?

    Are you saying that CNN might EVER show this?
    -The SAME CNN that gave Saddam editorial approval so they could stay in-country? The SAME CNN that embedded with terrorists? Oh, excuse me... 'FREEDOM FIGHTERS'!
    The SAME CNN that handed over Saddam's sons-in-law for future execution?

    I dunno how you can rationally have discourse with anyone who ignores the issue.... but attacks the messenger!!!!!

    THAT is my point to you!

    And THEN you turn it around on me as if I'm doing a personal attack on you. I'm not. I'm telling you how I feel, exactly as you are... but SOMEONE is wrong, and past and current events, in my view, shows clearly what happens in the follow-on.
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    Answered both my questions directly and succinctly!

    Thanks for taking the time to read them, and for not wandering off on personal attacks or extraneous ranting. I'm really feeling the love.

    See ... I knew you could do it!
     
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  7. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    I dont do 'irony'..remember?

    ;)
     
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    Jesus Camp, anyone? Praying to a picture of George Bush? Dear Leader? Looking in one's own backyard is a bear, too...
     
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  10. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Wat the hell's your point?

    Have a comment? Threat real or not?

    Every time you're rational... {on the voting thread} you come up with this kind of crap.
     
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  11. mnlandshark

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    Ok... so the previous post was a bit snarky...

    My original point was that we (the U.S.) is the pot calling the kettle (Muslim Mullahs and elected leaders) black... While the Christianist preachers out there aren't screaming "down with the infidels" they are attempting to hijack the political system and create, enact, and enforce legislation geared towards their view of the end times.

    We can spend a lot of time worrying about the Islamicists or we can worry about the Christianists in our own backyard who want to remake the U.S. in the image of an evangelical Taliban.

    In 'Fiasco', the author describes a conversation with a military official who admits that they let the mullahs speak their piece on Friday because that's what their supposed to do... when two days before they were meeting the U.S. military working on feasible solutions to reduce the violent actions in their area...

    After reading that book, I'll freely admit that not everything has gone wrong over there... BUT (caps intended), that's been the result of the hard-working men and women in the military who have no problem taking credit and ratting out their leaders for not having a plan...

    I digress... but my point is, I'm a lot more worried about someone in my own country trying to limit my individual rights and liberties than I am about being attacked by some kind of weaponry... We all choose what to be afraid of... We all choose our battles... I think I've chosen wisely... and I'm sure you feel the same way... and if we each fight our battles, we'll all be better off...

    Rational enough for ya?
     
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  12. HatterDon

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    the problem is with fundamentalism, not which brand.

    There is a certainty present with fundamentalism that demands intolerance and suspicion, if not hatred, of the "other."

    If you look at what fundamental Islamacists have said about the horrors of American culture over the last decade or so, and then compare it to what the religious right likes to demonize about "secularism," you'll see that they agree more than they disagree.

    Because of things like pluralism, gay marriage, abortion rights, freedom of expression in films and books, and the way young people dress and deport themselves, our own Christian fundamentalists also "hate us for our freedom."
     
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  13. pettyfog

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    Now, let me get this straight... the libs dont like the US buying opinion space in Iraq... and we are trying to let them know they have to have the responsibility for what happens there... but it was WRONG to let the mullahs speak their piece?

    How the hell does it work if we, US I mean, dont let them preach hate if they are inclined? Yeah...I know.. rock and a hard place but I dont get it.

    ... I mean dont YOU see a problem there?
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    Last time a christian threatened to kill you was....

    AGAIN...just WHAT rights and liberties are being threatened?
     
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  14. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Oh... you guys are getting me worked up, alright.

    Last time the Christian Religious Police broke into your hotel room at 2:am to see if you were really married to the woman with you?

    I think I see the kind of rights and liberties you are talking about:
    City told to pull warning to felons
    Your kind of people... not mine.

    Oh...just to make it perfectly clear what the REAL intent is... How many prosecuters are going to take charges forward, when the offender can say.."How do I know, there werent any signs"

    Yeah... it USED to be that ignorance is no excuse, but that was back in the 'bad old repressive days'. Now it only applies in traffic court.
     
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  15. HatterDon

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    Well, since I left Vietnam, only Christians have threatened to kill me. I don't know a lot of Muslims and they've always been kind of friendly.

    Which Christians? Cross-carrying, flag-waving, traditional family values preaching members of the KKK.
     
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  16. pettyfog

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    Uh.... you have a KKK chapter in San Antone?

    Well, Don... how about you just keep on trusting people you DONT know, and being afraid of people you do know.

    I cant explain it any better than that.
     
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  17. HatterDon

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    I've lived all over the country and all over the world. And yes, we certainly have KKK chapters all over Texas. They like to come out to political rallies and marches and let us continue to feel the love. You probably have one or two in Ohio. There was a time when the state with the largest KKK membership was Indiana.

    And even if you don't, the KKK has a lot of useful idiots also.

    And who is it that I'm trusting and distrusting again? I never quite can keep up with your leaps of logic.
     
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  18. FFCinPCB

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    Oh Petty, your memory regarding these type of issues is painfully short. Not man-woman, but privacy nonetheless. Texas unintentionally the focus of protecting individuals right to privacy.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/

    Can't imagine who led the charge to get this law originally on the books??

    You can thank us Dems for having the balls to protect every individuals right to privacy later. Something tells me we shouldn't hold our breathe.
     
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  19. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Fucrineoutloud! can you address my point without veering off????

    Look at it this way, that's been/being corrected. While the jihadists want to reinstate it.
    When YOUR rights are taken away from you.. it wont be the Christians or republicans....
     
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  20. Spencer

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    When does this thing air? I'll watch it. I'm up for FOX every now and then. As long as its not your only source. Just as you can not only watch the BBC or read the NYtimes.
     
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