1. jumpkutz

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    Didn't see a previous thread about this, so I thought I'd take the liberty of starting a new one, since we're no longer in it.

    Nice job by the Toffees today, sans Landon, to take care of business. It's obvious he's kick started their season.

    Tim Howard is amazing. I'm glad he's OURS! Another well deserved clean sheet for America's number 1 keeper. I find myself watching Everton just to watch him.

    If Everton keep winning their should-win games and throw in an upset or two against the big boys, or make it to Wembley, Moyes should be a shoe in for mgr of the year. We should've tried to steal him when Hughes walked. Imagine what he could do with some semblance of a wage budget.
     
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  2. SoCalJoe

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    At least they showed Landon clapping and saying goodbye to the Everton fans albeit in a jacket.

    Arse doesn't look like they've recovered from their beatdown in Milan. Losing at Sunderland at the half and the injuries are piling up. Will be lucky to push this towards a replay.

    Chelsea pull out a draw at home to Birmingham to force a replay :lol: AVB looked like a dead man walking when the interviewer asked him about his job security.

    Tim Ream played for Bolton in their 2-0 win against Millwall.
     
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  3. jumpkutz

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    Gonna try to catch some of the Everton-Sunderland action from Goodison this morning...would like to see Mr. Howard make it to Wembley.
     
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  4. jumpkutz

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    Uh oh. Toffee defense picks up where it left off against scousers, although, to be fair, Bardsley's strike off a pass from a free kick was, in the words of the Guardian's Scott Murray, "a daisycutter." Tim had no chance, 1-nil S'land.
     
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  5. jumpkutz

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    And Everton gets the equalizer on a nifty double header off a cross, with Cahill finishing...sweet.
     
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    That was a brilliant match -- good English Cup football -- that neither team deserved to lose. Was hoping Timmy could make it to Wembley, but it looks less likely now that they have to go back to Sunderland.
     
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    I hope for the best, but it doesn't sound good. :(
     
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  9. SoCalJoe

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    Some good news. It's being reported that he's breathing again and 'stable' in the ICU.
     
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    Scary stuff. Hope he's gonna be O.K.
     
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  11. HatterDon

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    Unfortunately, that report was a bit incorrect. He is in critical condition ini the London Heart Hospital. Things are not looking good.

    I watched a lot of Bolton when Holden was healthy, and again now that Ream is there. Muamba and Holden had a marvelous connection as centre mids to the huge benefit of the Trotters. Muamba has suffered mightily without Holden -- as has Bolton -- and now it seems that they'll have to do the run in without either of them.

    So sad to see a gifted 23-year-old go down like that. If there's any benefit to it, it is that because it happened during a match, there were plenty of medical personnel available and an on-call ambulance at the ground. Had he had this attack while sitting in the sun reading a book on his back porch, he probably would have died almost immediately.

    I'll light a candle for him at church in the morning.
     
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  12. Clevelandmo

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    Really hoping Muamba can pull through and have a healthy life; he's got a son and fiancee.

    The question I have Hatter is if this would have happened were he just sitting on his back porch. It happens enough to endurance athletes, I have to wonder. Between these heart related incidence and concussions, I sometimes feel like a Roman aristocrat watching gladiator fights. Certainly ruins the entertainment factor for me.
     
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  13. dcheather

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    I can't answer with a yes to your question. Mo. But as an endurance athlete that has read too many articles on cardiac arrest for endurance athletes and a grandfather who passed away at 53 due to cardiac arrest, I've read up on some of the causes for young athletes. The main culprit is HCM (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy), there have been some athletes that had to retire at because they were diagnosed with the condition, such as Cuttino Mobley. But I'm not sure if you heard of Ben Breedlove, he was an 18 year who had multiple cardiac arrests before eventually passing last Christmas. He was diagnosed with the condition in childhood and his doctors determined that he would not live past his teens. Here's his story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Breedlove .

    The other main causes for young athletes are congenital heart defects. But all of the conditions are fairly rare. Hopefully with more awareness, there will be less cardiac arrest stories. What I find surprising is that with the amount of physicals these pro athletes take before signing with teams that there is nothing picked up for potential heart defects. Do they do extensive cardio testing for these guys? Anybody know?
     
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  14. jimsig

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    There has been some talk recently here in Mass that all high school athletes should be tested for heart related ailments as there have been a number of deaths here in Mass and nationwide.
     
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  15. dcheather

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    That seems like a very expensive, unrealistic proposition, Jimsig. An echocardiogram is the best way to test for HCM and those cost quite a bit of money, I think around $1000. That would certainly price out a lot people from participating in HS sports. But that would certainly be a reasonable price tag for a professional sports teams looking after their investment.

    Right now Fabrice's heart is stable but he remains in critical condition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... enham.html
     
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    Nothing was mentioned as to how they would be funded. I agree if it came out out of pocket lots of kids would surely drop out. Maybe if it becomes law the state would make the health insurers pick up the cost.
     
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  17. SoCalJoe

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    Maybe it's because of the media landscape, but you seem to hear about so many young athletes passing away than years ago, and many from the heart ailments that pre-screening could pick up. You would think that the NCAA (like they don't have the money :roll: ) could foot the bill for incoming freshman.
     
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  18. dcheather

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    http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/ ... r-critical

    Sounds like he is improving.

     
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    At the end of the story:


    I guess that answers my question that cardio testing is not a routine part for physicals when signing with teams.
     
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  20. Clevelandmo

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    Great news that Muamba is improving, I hope this means his survival is certain.

    I think the screening issue is a really difficult one. Ryan Shay died during the Olympic trials for the marathon yet he had been cleared by a doctor just months prior, despite having a known heart condition. Also athletes commonly have enlarged hearts and the symptoms, such as shortness of breath or chest pain, that could alert a doctor to a potential life threatening heart condition are something elite athletes are more prone to ignore. So the diagnosis becomes a difficult, nebulous one in some cases. I read that the Italian government instituted mandatory ECGs for teen athletes and they significantly reduced the instances of sudden cardiac arrest within that group. However, 1 out of 50 Italian teens were required to quit sports as a result of the screening. The American Heart Assoc. (or one of those heart groups) said if we were to do something similar we would end up asking 2,000 athletes to give up sports for every life saved and they are reluctant to do that. They say improved screening is needed.

    Oh and I also read that you would have to do the screening regularly because these risky heart conditions may not manifest themselves until a certain age - what's there at 22 yrs of age may not have been at 19.
     
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