Cleveland Debate

Hiliary 'talking tough' (aka yelling) sounds like a shovel scraping on concrete. Couldn't stand 4 or more years of that...

 

I believe slick willy said "it depends upon what your definition of "is" is. Oh so classic!

Unfortunately, I missed the debate. I cant vote next week b/c I'm not registered as Dem or Republican. It usually doesnt matter at this stage in the game.

From the sounds of what you said Hatter, Obama still hasnt put anymore substance into his campaign. That is disappointing. He needs to be doing that by now - Hillary is pretty well known but hope and likening to the JFK days is not enough for me to back Obama. However, maybe that vagueness will get him the nomination. Not enough for me though. Anyway, Cleveland Rocks.

 

Like figuring out how to get even with her former buddies who dumped her.

I didnt watch the debate.. just couldnt get in the right frame of mind to deal with the idiocies, because it was on MSNBC.

And apparently I was right! TalkLeft on post-debate. { I think it's interesting how some react to Olbermann when their guy is in his sights.} But if you read down the comments, you find some stuff about Hillary and Obama that HAS substance in how they will act in the office.
A good point on there - What happened to 'The League of Women Voters' running these!

Who 'Won'? FoxNews has this great focus group that is set up from self-named 'undeclared' and the guy follows and polls them, before and after. According to that group Hillary won based on her command of details and more settled on her post-debate and that was based on 'substance'.

But those who react purely on 'presence' say Obama won.

As an aside: Cincinnati's Morning-Talker and local version of Michael Savage {and Hannity's buddy}, Bill Cunningham, warmed up for McCain and McCain had to dis-avow him immediately for throwing up 'Barack HUSSEIN Obama' three times and calling him a 'hack'.
So Cunningham reacted, on H & C, by slamming McCain and saying he was voting for Hillary.

 

Oh, JEEZ!
Susan Rice is on 'Morning Joe' right now. She is an Obama advisor and a REAL Geo-political HACK! Like Obama, she's really fluent in language, and speaks very well. And/But the content is pure crap.

If you like, and even if you dont, I will {probably, unless HC steals it back} be reviewing her writings on US Middle EAst policies in future months.

Joe is spending 5 minutes disputing her crap to ZB's daughter, after Rice went off.

Why do I watch 'Morning Joe'? Because Joe wont take spin lightly, other than his own. Right after that above, guest wonks pointing out that Repubs/McCain would vastly prefer Hillary as opposed to Obama. Which is absolutely right!

 

I actually would not be opposed to Hillary staying in this thing for a little longer, for the reasons you guys mention above.

Barak is in the midst of a substance abuse problem, that can only be dealt with by a three-step program of finding out the substance of what the hell he is so passionately speaking about. I'm afraid he has become addicted to the sound of his own voice. But then again, even the most well-intentioned politicians fall victim to such vice.

That said, Hillary did help drive the bus into the ditch, and with her history of falling prey to peer pressure, I am certain she would be under the influence and a menace to our society, and that she would undoubtedly be a repeat offender.

 

So.. you're watching Joe, too. I disagree she helped drive the bus into the ditch unless you round that out to everyone NOT OVERTLY ANTI-WAR, no matter what!

She voted based on evidence presented, as everyone else did.

Obama's arguments there, as you would expect, cut NO ice with me.. he had no 'special info' and certainly devoted no thought to his viewpoint. He kneejerked to his, then, agenda. I would expect when the national interest, as opposed to his own, is foremost he will devote some thought to things.

 

I did indeed watch Joe. He's alright, that guy. Smarmy, but not necessarily in an offensive way.

 

She also voted based upon the evidence from when Bill was in office. Atter all, he did bomb Bagdad for four days. When she spoke in front of the Code Pink peace activists, she was adamant that her plans to vote in favor of military action in Iraq was more based upon her own experience and knowledge than any Bush had provided.

 

I wish someone would have asked Obama what he's going to do about crime - like the latest theft of a goal by West Ham, his team, against our beloved Fulham.