Friedman=GW Fraud

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    NYT has an inalienable right to have its high paid 'analysts' speak their minds on subjects of great world importance, and Thomas Friedman does so, here:

    Global Weirding Is Here
    See Friedman's wiki
    Well, I guess its time to drive a stake in the ground. Friedman starts off by barely hinting that the statements by AGW opponents are nothing but opportunist snark {Trans: They know better, they're referring to catastophic predictions by Warmists, like Gore!}
    Then he goes on to promote a scientific convening to determine the truth.

    Aint gonna happen! Same reason he aint gonna come clean on his investment in AGW.
    Now comes the part some of you are gonna hate:

    I have ten times, or more, the credentials Friedman has on the subject of AGW science.
    I'm an engineer by profession and more, I'm a self-taught engineer.
    And that course of instruction has given me the tools I need to determine my level of doubt on the subject. Because, more than most academically credentialed engineers, I had to research and find the literature for mechanisms needed to do my work.
    And that led to my skeptic position. I understand 'feedback' mechanisms, I mean I REALLY understand them*. I had to in order to design analog circuitry. And I understand 'parasitics effect' which is what some like Michael Mann use to explain the curve lag conundrum... ie: 'Forcing'
    Seeing Gore try to explain away the temp/carbon curves caused me to wonder than ANYONE really believed that shit! Mann's lame 'carbon forces vapor' premise didnt explain it either.

    Now the second convenient happenstance for me was my change of career, where I went from doing design to dealing with customers, all the way from senior attorneys to grunt-work office staff. I had to understand human nature and why people responded to new technology the way they did.
    Along the way I found that people with absolutely NO grounding in what I did for a living could provide insight on how to do things better faster and more efficiently. And I found that people could resist doing things better faster for no more reason than personal comfort.

    The KEY to that is that sometimes those were the same people! I also found that no amount of 'reasoning', even presenting the obvious right in front of them, could sway some opinion.

    I found the more they had advocated a position in their workplace, the more resistant they were to changing their minds. That's only human nature. And I had to understand that to do my job.

    And that's why I say that Friedman is smoking a pipe of something.

    We've already seen the results; Climate Scientists have a preset premise and that is carbon-forced warming. To even GET an academic job in the field they have had to 'sign-on' to the concept. Because that concept led to research funding.
    The only vocational avenue for those who have no such belief is with energy providers.
    Which is why Friedman demonizes Oil companies. He signed on with the warmists, and it's not in his interest to be proved wrong, any more than it's in AlGor's interest.

    Therefore, if you really want to know what is going on... and you CARE {which some of you apparently dont even though your future is at stake} pay attention to me.
    I got no dog in the hunt {other than my IRA shares, how much I spend on cost of living and utilities, till I croak}.. and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.

    Seriously... do you REALLY think those scientists WILL revisit the basic CO2 effect? Because that is their only way out of the mess they've made for themselves by twiddling the science.
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    * Explanation here: I SUCKED at math, I mean I REALLY Sucked at math.
    That means to understand something I had to visualize it. My core engineering principle is the lever and fulcrum.

    Once I could visualize a circuit element on that basis, it was relatively easy to find the proper math formula to use in the design. Academically trained engineers may not actually visualize at all, they might just know the formula outright and plug it in.
    Then there's those that do both, like Steve McIntyre, retired engineer who loves math just for its own sake and thus knocked the first wheel off the AGW 'Settled Science' bandwagon.
     
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  2. HatterDon

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  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Well, now!

    There you see a prime example of one whose belief systems are threatened.

    Unable to make a cogent response using critical thinking or cognitive analysis; rather than just shrug and ignore, they have to attack the writer as opposed to the idea.

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    heh!
     
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  4. pettyfog

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    Corporatists Bail!

    {After sending apologies to G. Soros}...

    Big Business Jumps Ship from the S.S. Climate Change


    Altogether, now..... DUH!
    Not to mention those guys were subject to "... and executed on Monday"

    - that's an inside joke between Don and Me.. and Don will claim he doesnt 'have a clue' what I'm talking about.
    heh
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    No comment yet from AlGor, whose GMC Suburban was last seen being buried under a snowmountain in an Alexandria shopping center parking lot.
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    The intrepid Thomas Friedman, {see above} however, is rumored to be absolutely LIVID and burning up the phone lines to his investments advisors.
     
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  5. HatterDon

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    Wouldn't it be nice if something was done about our server and we didn't have all these multiple posts? Or do the multiple posts prove that Global Warming if a fraud? :roll:

    Just wondering.
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    I haven't attacked anything, nor are any of my "belief systems" threatened. I'm just snoring at your 800th iteration of "Global Warning is a Sham" in the last month and a half or so. Haven't you noticed that nobody is arguing with you any more? Haven't you noticed that the only person who finds any of this crap remotely interesting is you?

    For the rest of us, it's all a big

    SNORE
     
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  7. pettyfog

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    Then dont fcuking read it..and SURE's HELL DONT COMMENT!!!!

    how many times I got to say that.

    If you think you're protecting me from making a fool of myself,
    well...
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    .. too late
    but, I suggest you read bunch of your responses then look in a mirror.

    You dont fool me and probably not several others.
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    VA AG to {also} challenge EPA on Carbon ruling

    In there, the quote of the freakin week:

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    Friedman's House:
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  8. Clevelandmo

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    I find it interesting. I think the whole way the global warming thing has been handled by the media, the politicians, and the scientific community is an abomination. When those critical of man-made global warming, like MIT professor Richard Lindzen, are labled as "deniers" you are throwing them in with the likes of the what's his name leader of Iran who denies the holocaust. It is totally unproductive. If 'fog hadnt been posting, I doubt that I would have ever heard about the email hacking which confirmed what common sense would tell you was happening all along.
     
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  9. Clevelandmo

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    Re: Corporatists Bail!

    OMG LOL
     
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  10. Clevelandmo

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    RE: Re: Corporatists Bail!

    So Obama chastises those who point to the record snowfalls in DC and Dallas and question global warming; stressing climate "change" over global warming. However, he then counters with the mild conditions at the winter olympics as proof of what he's talkin' 'bout.

    As far as I can tell those conditions in Vancouver and Whistler are completely average. Whistler gets about as much rain every February as it does snow, and the average high in February is above freezing

    http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/ ... lts_e.html

    And the average high temp in February for Vancouver is 46F, just like the weather they've been having during these olympics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Vancouver

    Obama arrogance at work again.
     
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  11. HatterDon

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    Mo, link please to the video, press release, or NEWS article quoting Obama saying that current Vancouver weather is proof of global warming. I'd like to see his exact words.


    Thanks.
     
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  12. Clevelandmo

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    Don, I originally heard about it on C-SPAN (it was mentioned on Washington Journal). I tried quickly to find a link, but the only ones that I could find were blogs and I dont like to link a blog I dont know. Anyway, here is the best I can do without making a research project of it. I cant listen to Obama's speech, still no audio

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/19/obama-snow-storms/


    Oh and notice the "deniers" term is used.
     
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  13. andypalmer

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    My engineering background is weak (only 2 years toward an Aerospace Engineering degree), but I am a student of history.

    When the Vikings settled Greenland, it was a green and vibrant land, since all but abandoned due to being iced over.

    During the middle ages, England was known as the vinyard of Europe because it had the best climate for growing good grapes; England is now too cold and wet for quality vinyards.

    Look how the land of Israel was described in the Old and New Testament, and look at it now.

    This planet has gone through major climate shifts thoughout its history, not even counting those caused by major "events" such as asteroid collisions and volcanic eruptions.

    I'm a proponent of Occam's Razor in that the simplest explanation is usually the best one. That mankind has caused the current climate changes, rather than them just being part of the planet's natural cycle doesn't fit that bill.
     
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  14. pettyfog

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    Thanks for the link, Mo... I especially love the comments on there.

    What a bunch of mush brains.. they been hiding under a rock the last few months.
    "It's the SCIENCE.. It's the SCIENCE!!!!" Well, yeah...
    And every time someone adds up the 'science', there's a big "ooops!"
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    disclaimer: AGAIN, weather is not climate except over a span of years..get it?
    THEN it's climate. Works both ways.
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    BTW: Now that the President has explained climate, how about 'Insurance' and how it works?
    - sheesh! Actually yes, it WAS serious insurance.

    Well, that JD WAS in Constitutional Law.... but I think it makes the point.
     
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  15. HatterDon

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    Mo, thanks for the link. A couple of things, since you couldn't hear the video:

    1. "Deniers" is used by the blogger, not the president. He said basically: "Whenever conservatives want to bash me the thing they use most to do it next to health care is climate change." This is pretty much fact.

    2. The text that they excerpted -- with the exception of a couple of "uh" and "er" moments is just what he said. This is it again:

    So, he wasn't chiding conservatives for using snow in Dallas as proof of no global warming while he was using 55 degrees in Vancouver as proof that there was. I've bolded what he said on the video.

    This is pretty reasonable stuff, I would have thought.

    Thanks again for the link.
     
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  16. pettyfog

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    So, when a few GOP 'deniers' use snark weather references, it's heresy. When the Pres does...

    The BIG SHOE needs to fall: That CO2 has little influence on climate. I wondered about it before, I'm now more convinced than ever that it has little influence.
    What that means is that while CO2 is a trace gas and has SOME influence, carbon use is BY FAR the easiest to TAX.

    That reducing CO2 by 90% will have a negligible effect on 'climate change' makes no difference in the long term. Because stopping Climate Change isnt really the point. The object is to create a revenue stream and level the field between the 'have-nots and have-a-littles'. Incidentally, making 'friendly corporations' rich for at least a while.

    And have a majority of the populace dependent on the government's largesse.

    Remember kiddies.. QUESTION AUTHORITY!

    heh...
     
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  17. andypalmer

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    It's already been proven that the temperature changes PRECEDE the changes in CO2 levels, so I'm not sure why that one still comes up.
     
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