VP debate

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Clevelandmo, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. RidgeRider

    RidgeRider Member

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    Well, it is too bad you won't be in the chatroom during the game. You add alot to the fun factor.
     
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  2. FulhamAg

    FulhamAg New Member

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    I'm a conservative (first) and registered Republican, fwiw. Call it a pet peeve, but why give the idiots in the box one more (albeit pointless) arrow in their quiver. Especially when it's so simple to correct?
     
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  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    How the hell did 'Nucular' get to be the trend of this thread? Who was the first President to pronounce it that way?
    - and what was his area of expertise before he became a pol?
    ...Bueller..... Bueller...... Anyone?

    How the heel is Biden getting away with saying "US ..kicked Hizbollah out of Lebanon" while Palin is critiqued in the MSM for her folksy demeanor which OBVIOUSLY means she isnt fit to be 'within a heartbeat'..'because she's too much like me and I couldnt do it...' meaning I assume she didnt go to the right schools?
    Here's some more from your elite media:
    Oh... and she called that general 'McClellan' instead of McKiernan!!!!

    And we ALL know who McClellan was.. Lincoln had to fire the useless cowardly git. SEEE!!!!!!!

    While of course Biden was only nuancing when he said McCain voted against that body armor.... And of course, it was Biden's Foreign policy experience in nuance when he said the only way to fix Iraq was to partition it.


    We have slate[dot]com parsing Palin's speaking sentence structure, finding it WANTING of intellectuallist construction... yet you havent seen Obama critiqued that way, except on the righty blogs.
    - Is the Golden One searching for words we peons might understand?

    Yet another media says they found she speaks at the ninth grade level, while Biden addresses at the eighth grade level... Like WGAF!
    - - - -- - - --
    I give up.
     
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  4. WhitesBhoy

    WhitesBhoy Active Member

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    Your perspective on these things really is valuable. I imagine you represent the "every woman" and "every man" better than anyone else on this board. You look for the personable aspects before anything else, and that could easily be the most important factor in this race. The fact that you warmed up to Biden a bit and perhaps Palin is losing a little of her luster in your eyes is a great weather vain, and it probably means trouble for McCain/Palin.
     
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  5. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Which is, after all, what this election and the preceding campaigns are all about.

    And I'm only being a LITTLE facetious, there. This is why I called Obama winner and Biden winner.

    Why does the debate play in so much as opposed to what we USUALLY see from these guys? Is it the ability to switch focus?

    Mo, how much does the sympathy factor play in your opinion? It will play in a LOT of peoples' votes.

    Do you believe you saw the REAL Joe Biden in the debate? Or is the real Joe Biden the one you see on CSpan? How do the two impressions differ?

    How does the impression of Palin differ from what you'll hear from her, off the cuff?

    Have you seen the FNC Palin interview with Carl Cameron? What do you think of her responses to his questions?
     
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  6. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

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    So I guess I'm the ignorant American who votes on hair do's and irrational stuff like that. I dont look for personal aspects more than anything else when it comes to voting; I didn't go into substance or policy because the truth is whenever the two candidates positions are examined there is very little difference on most issues. Also, in these debates there has been very little substantive detail - just politics and voting records something I'm not inclined to check out because you' most likely would have to read the entire bill to do it objectively.
     
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  7. HatterDon

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    If you're looking for substantive issues, look elsewhere than "debates" -- if there were to be ANYTHING substantive in these venues, both parties would run like crazy.

    Perspective: the press is digging into Palin's life because so little is known about it. What they find in terms of details are printed because so little is previously known. McCain, Biden, and Obama have been in this race for well over a year now. They've been investigated and written about over and over.

    Palin has been in less than a month. Biden's every move has been in the public since he was first elected senator 138 years ago. It's much more easy to find goofs of his than it is to find goofs of Palin's because she's been in the public eye for a few weeks.

    The press digging stuff up is not evidence of bias, it's evidence of them trying to find things about the candidate and make them public. The bad news about Palin is that there doesn't seem to be much there for her in terms of substance. Like thousands of other community-minded people in our country, she went from PTA member to city council member to small town mayor. From there, she was elected governor. There's really nothing there in terms of "a heartbeat away." The good news about Palin, is that she is getting twice the press coverage of the other three principals combined. And, to answer 'fog, people aren't ridiculing Palin because there are folks who think "she's just like me," they're ridiculing people who think that because someone is "just like me," she's met every qualification to be president.

    The sad news about Palin is that each time someone criticizes her, the neo-con smear machine goes after him/her with the same vicious glee that they used to use when they went after ... McCain.

    Leaving the thread alone is me.
     
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  8. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

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    It's not really a sympathy factor for Biden just a respect that here's a Senator who actually had to deal with and parent his children - on his own. The interesting thing is I've heard many a mom criticize Palin for being Gov and running for VP with an infant Downs child. Seems the same criticism for Biden's decision to continue that 1 1/2 train ride to the capital after his wife and children were injured/killed in an accident would be in order.

    I think the Biden in the debates was the real Biden but I fully expect to see the CSpan Biden again. In fact, he was the CSpan Biden when he went on about how global warming is caused by man. He went way too far - Obama has never gone that far. He is too smart; he chooses his words very carefully because he knows if he says what Biden said he'll be proven wrong.
     
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  9. andypalmer

    andypalmer Active Member

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    The Wiki article on Joe Biden has what appears to be decent detail on the car accident/reaction, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden# ... cal_career

    If what is written is even close to the truth (it is Wiki, afterall), then Biden-Palin = Apples and Oranges. i.e., it's a big stretch to knock her for staying governor as a mother of a downs syndrome child, but not so much that she's running for an office with a LOT more travel than Gov of AK.
     
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