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Yeah, democrats certainly do like to "talk" about that stuff. If republicans dont care about healthcare and college tuition then why is Obama's universal healthcare plan almost identical to the one that Mitt Romney enacted in Mass and why did Bush increase the number of need-based pell grants by 1,000,000 students in his first term (also increased the percent of the total cost covered).

Poor children in this country do get free healthcare - it's called Medicaid. I shared a hospital room with a recipient and his mother after the birth of my second child. In contrast, under the British NHS I shared a hospital room with seven other mothers and their newborns after the birth of my first child. I'm not knocking the British system; it is just that a lot of uninsured and insured Americans are going to be complaining big time when they realize that our new universal healthcare system isnt even as good as Medicaid.

It's not really fair to say Bush was compairing "conversation and negotiation" alone to Nazi appeasement. He's comparing negotiations with terrorists and Iran to Nazi appeasement in front of a Jewish audience. Are you aware that many of those in favor of diplomacy with Hitler (JFK's father was among them) felt that way because they believed "Jewish controlled" international banks were encouraging war as a way to make money? The Isrealis whom Bush was talking to are well aware of this history - Bush was just playing politics and you know it.

Also European historian Michael Burleigh said this about the Nazis

Can you honestly say that Al Qeada or the current Iranian "government" has been anything more?

Spencer you are too smart to blindly follow the democratic mantra, think for yourself.

 

Spencer I am not one of those 60% of Americans. I opposed this war from the start so I certainly would have favored continued appeasement of Saddam. I do think you cant nogotiate with Al Queda. The Europeans have been handling negotiations with Iran and that was probably the best tactic. Since that hasnt been successful, you are hearing about plans for the US to begin negotiations and in fact I believe Condi already has at least had discussions. Bush only said this because he was talking to Isreal.

Also my lazy-fast car-mansion statement was an obvious gross exaggeration done for effect (and out of laziness - ha ha). The point is simply that I think democrats play to the wants and complaints of too many disparate groups. It makes it hard to stand for something with meaning which is why Obama spent so much time just talking about generalities like hope.

Spencer you are so bright. I cant wait to hear what you end up doing/studying. If you need help with tuition I'm sure we could have a FUSA scholarship fund - I'll donate.

 

Sometimes I feel like a terrorist for liking European football... its so un-American... sometimes you actually play 'friendlies' against countries like Iran... and France has a league, too... You'd better monitor my emails and phone calls...

 

Yeah there is pretty much nothing anyone can say to that Steve. We're lucky to have you on the soccer cause. But for those of us who didnt serve, you could always mention that at least our US soccer players show up to represent their country, unlike a lot of the NBA's best in the last Olympics. They sited security as a reason while the Iraqi soccer team had to be airlifted out of Bagdad in order to participate in the Olympics.

 

My point in posting that sarcasm was to characterize the sort of dichotomous thinking that is pervasive amongst conservatives and that I'm unfortunately reading on a friendly soccer board. It is really some dangerous thinking, like when having a foreign policy with Iran constitutes "Nazi appeasement," or that Iraqis are "just all Muslims" as opposed to existing tribally, or that Mrs. Obama hates America because she only recently became proud of it. Be proud Republicans, that is the way you play politics. By the way - its okay to be displeased with your government, and to speak out about it.

To be satisfied with and to advocate for continuing the status quo - now there's my definition of unpatriotic.

 

Yes, Bradical, I was well aware of your intent. I was just enjoying Steve's clever way of handling the anti-soccer types and ingoring your sarcasm.

So are you saying you cant disagree on issues and still be friendly? Because I certainly can. I dont start judging people and making assumptions about their party affiliation. I read stuff on here all the time that I disagree with yet I would never say

Basically disagreeing with you constitutes dangerous thinking. Are you aware that Churchill was pretty much alone when he criticized appeasement of Hitler by the British government. Nobody thought it was this terrible thing at the time or that it's an evil thing to accuse someone of. What is so dangerous about raising the point and remembering history. Asking people to stop and think and assess whether we would be repeating history if we appeased in this case. I dont know whether Bush was referring to Carter's talks with Hamas or Obama's potential talks with Hamas & Iran, but regardless he was talking to Isreali's who know that Hamas believes it should not exist and that the President of Iran denies that the Holocaust ever happened.

 

He did NOT say, however that it is better to 'Jaw-Jaw' forever did he? Perhaps you can point me to the speech so I can see what ELSE he said in it.

 

If my memory serves me, Churchill was also bi-polar :lol:

 

Good one! But I BET it meant talk, but dont hesitate to serve up consequences.

Check this: World's Greatest Warmonger

 

Thanks for the link. I contemplated saying Churchill makes Bush look like a cream puff but didnt have specific references handy. For that matter you could say Roosevelt makes Bush look like a cream puff.

 

Churchill had a universe of quotes (my favorite: "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things."). Dubya is deftly compiling what amounts to a coloring book of such favorites as: (speaking about the post-invasion Sunni/Shiite split) "I thought they were all Muslims."

 

Link!!!!!!

He's the least articulate of any pres since... Andrew Johnson? However if you gonna throw grenades, have the decency to back it up. Otherwise I'll treat it simply as Bush Derangement

What the leftists want you to forget is that negotiation with Iran has been tried over and over... to the extent that France and Germany even attempted to open the dialogue, because Dubya realized he was radioactive, to no effect whatsoever. And it was the former liberal regimes tried it.

An inconvenient truth for some

Here's the BBC timeline.

And it NEVER fails... the very minute I say Dubya is inarticulate, I run across this interview with Richard Engel {whose job apparently is to make everything look like Bush's fault} of NBC which btw was edited to appear in a Nightly News clip to distort Dubya's answers

Bush nailed the young lefty on numerous 'Hard Questions' pretty well and with grace.