Becoming an Eco-Terrorist

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by pettyfog, Mar 8, 2008.

  1. Lyle

    Lyle New Member

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    Don,

    When are you going to make a cogent argument? Why are you assuming we are the "right-wing"? Criticizing ELF makes one "right-wing"? Not wanting to "destroy" factories makes one "right-wing"?
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    Lyle,

    No, criticizing the ELF and the ALF doesn't make anyone right wing. I criticize them both all the time, and I'm not right wing. I think both organizations fit the only appropriate definition of terrorist groups -- that is, they use terror tactics to make political and social points.

    Here's my cogent arguments:

    1. Significant portions of the right wing tend to lump the entire environmental movement into the "eco-terrorist" camp. They also like to refer to environmentalism as "a religion" so that they can contrast it with their brand of "Christianity.

    2. The same portion of the right wing likes to pretend that evolution and Christianity are mutually exclusive and, so, likes to lump those people who find validity in that theory as non-Christian or anti-Christian. Like environmentalism, they like to classify what they call "Darwinism" as a religion.

    Now it's fair to say that you haven't made the latter connection. Pettyfog did, however, and you did make the connection between environmentalism and religion. That's where my comments came from.

    Call the ALF and the ELF terrorist groups and I'll not argue with you. Say that there are as many fervent loonies on the extreme left as on the extreme right, and I'll not challenge you on that. But, I probably will have a word or two to say about classifying things as religions.

    How's that?
     
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  3. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Don, JUST IN CASE you dont get the point {which I think you do... so WTF!!!}

    Darwinism lays out evolution in the premise of survival of the fittest. Which in turn not only implies but makes NECESSARY, the concept of a 'food chain pecking order'.

    I'm trying to get FFC24 to actually engage his brain cells rather than just spew up the pablum he's been fed by idiots who never actually dealt with nature on an even plane {or plain, as it were}.

    And since you saw need to seize on 'inconsequentia', let me reiterate: Man is the ONE organism which has the ability to see forward in consequence of his actions regarding his relationship with all other animals and plants.

    That some go overboard in the quest for intelligent earth stewardship is the point I'm making here. FFC24 is one of those.

    Added: Do you NOT recall ME poking fun at the premise that ONE thing fundamentalist Christians have in common with those Darwinists of the Left is that BOTH deny 'evolution' applies to humans.
     
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  4. HatterDon

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    fair enough
     
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  5. Lyle

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    Don,

    ... but no one made any such arguments. I'm agnostic. So why assume people are "right-wing" or are "right-wing Christians" when they attack eco-terrorists? No one was attacking eco-terrorism from a "right-wing" or "Christianist" position. All the arguments made so far have been scientific or economic arguments.

    Michael Crichton's criticism of eco-terrorism is that their belief-system is a lot like the belief system of religous fundimentalists. That means he doesn't think much of religous fundimenatlists. Do you understand that?
     
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  6. HatterDon

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    That's all I'm saying.
     
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  7. Lyle

    Lyle New Member

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    So you're saying nothing? You must not have read Crichton's speech.
     
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  8. FFC24

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    The Factories are those of coal mining plants and such. Coal harms the earth and that is why people of the E.L.F targets those places. Also cutting down trees harms the earth and many rainforests are suffering. I care very much about the workers, but the earth is far more important than a few hundred workers. Without the earth there is no workers. It happens only a little bit to destroy their factories. What needs to happen is Education and then action, not the other way around. The Animal rights groups have done this fairly well. They not only take action, but also produce educational literature. I have many scientists who would agree with me on this. I have many ex-vivisectors who would disagree with you guys on the animal testing.


    I was vegan and then went back to vegetarianism. I realise that I still use animal products some of the times, but I use them rarely. If I can make it Vegan, then that is what I do.


    happy now?
     
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  9. FFC24

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    I know where you're going with this. I realise that you think that as Humans we reserve the right to be the top of the food chain and exploit animals. I believe however, that we should treat our fellow living beings with more respect. Do I think meat eating will ever be abolished? Of course not. But I do think that there are better alternatives to animal testing and that IT needs to be abolished.


    To answer your question, I full out reject Creationism and am a firm believer in Evolution.
     
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  10. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Who SAYS we dont treat our fellow beings with respect? you?

    I say, that for the GREAT MAJORITY of the time, the GREAT MAJORITY of us do.

    Did I say a DAMN THING about creationism? Get out of your jingoist mindframe.

    We ARE at the top of the FOOD CHAIN. And I explained why. Thank your friends for their work, mainly for the ideas...but if your buddies attacked my property on the exercise of some agenda, I would feel fully justified in defending MY rights.

    And we really Dont care if you're vegan or vegetarian, this is about terrorist activity.

    Now, let me give you a personal anecdote on exactly how much your touchy-feely friends have fucked up man's relationship with his animals.

    I had a dog who was dying. I could not take him and my dad's .22 out in the woods and say goodbye in private and have the last thing he saw be his master.
    I had to take him to a vet hospital. do you know how he reacted to that?
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    On those relationships:
    I hereby assign you to watch the Dog Whisperer for at least 10 episodes and report back. Let's see if you are capable of learning anything new.
     
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  11. FFC24

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    She asked me if I use animals products and such and I answered.


    One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. Who says they are the true terrorists? YOU!?

    You didn't say anything about Creationism, but I felt compelled to answer that I don't believe in it as I felt that it belonged in the answer. It had nothing to do with me saying you're a Creationist or anything like that. Quit being so paranoid.

    I'm not watching some crap show. I don't believe in a person talking to the dead or being able to see what an animal is saying. It's a bunch of BS.
     
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