For me..NOT Huckabee!

pettyfog · Dec 22, 2007

Hard as it is for me, an apologist for Christian Conservatives, I'm gonna call "fake" on our 'Man from Hope'.

What we have here, is all the worst of Jimmy Carter and Bill-ary Clinton.

The man when left to his own judgement makes the WRONG decisions, despite personal and ethical entrities to let justice take it's own course.

I'm not even going to address the 'Increased Arkansas taxes' and the commercial that has him being fine with any sort of tax increase set before him. That's a red herring as the context was that the state needed to do something. What he was saying there was he would consider anything sent to him, not that he would accept them all.

I have been watching the conservative commentary for quite a while and I have to say it's pretty illuminating:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/ ... 019253.php

The Dumond file -- what more did Huckabee need to know?

The Huffington Post has released additional documents from ...

Theology degree .. or not?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/ ... 019282.php

pardons and clemencies
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/249637.php
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Foreign Policy:
- Cuba short-sight
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/ ... 019245.php

- 'Carteresque Views'
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/ ... 019244.php

Fiscal and governance
http://opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010782

Mr. Huckabee, on the other hand, is running hard right on social issues but liberal-populist on some economic issues. This may help explain why the affable, golden-tongued Baptist minister was the clear favorite at the pro-life Family Research Council's national forum last Saturday. And why Mr. Huckabee's praises have been sung by liberal columnists such as Gail Collins of the New York Times and Jonathan Alter of Newsweek.
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-They know a Carter clone when they see one!

Rick Scarborough, a pastor who heads Vision America, attended seminary with Mr. Huckabee and is a strong backer. But, he acknowledges, "Mike has always sought the validation of elites." When conservatives took over the Southern Baptist Convention after a bitter fight in the 1980s, Mr. Huckabee sided with the ruling moderates. Paul Pressler, a former Texas judge who led the conservative Southern Baptist revolt, told me, "I know of no conservative he appointed while he headed the Arkansas Baptist Convention."
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-Sorry, that doesnt bother me... Funny that my church was in the moderate wing but there were no sermons preached on lobbying government for more entitlements.

Mr. Huckabee's reluctance to surround himself with conservatives was evident as governor, when he kept many agency heads appointed by Bill Clinton. Zac Wright, a spokesman for incoming Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe, was asked this year why 15 Huckabee agency heads had been retained. Most of them were "Clinton people," he replied, not "Huckabee people." Mr. Huckabee told me many of his agency heads had "apolitical" responsibilities.
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- Sure they do..

Many Huckabee supporters have told me their man should be judged by what he's saying on the campaign trail today. Fair enough. Mr. Huckabee was the only GOP candidate to refuse to endorse President Bush's veto of the Democrats' bill to vastly expand the Schip health-care program. Only he and John McCain have endorsed the discredited cap-and-trade system to limit global-warming emissions that has proved a fiasco in Europe.
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- And WHICH system actually reduced Carbon emission trends? NOT the Cap and Trade countries

"It goes to the moral issue," he told an admiring group of environmentalists this month. Alan Greenspan blasts cap-and-trade in his new book as not feasible, noting that "jobs will be lost and real incomes of workers constrained." Mr. Huckabee defends his plan as an "innovative" way to attain complete energy independence from foreign oil by 2013.
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- And I call 'Bullshit' on the 'innovative' part.

During a visit to the Journal last spring, Mr. Huckabee joked that one of his biggest challenges is that "like Bill Clinton I hail from Hope, Arkansas, and not every Republican wants to take a chance like that again." But it's Mr. Huckabee who is creating the doubts. "He's just like Bill Clinton in that he practices management by news cycle," a former top Huckabee aide told me. "As with Clinton there was no long-term planning, just putting out fires on a daily basis. One thing I'll guarantee is that won't lead to competent conservative governance."
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Clemency for sale
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/249452.php

See the christmas picture.. cross no accident.

dems hold fire
http://drudgereport.com/flashhu.htm

But let's not nation-build..
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/rick_mora ... d_huckabee

We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts -- which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope. The United States' strategic interests as the world's most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest. If we do not do the right thing to improve life in the Muslim world, the terrorists will step in and do the wrong thing.
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- Bullllllllll. Talk triangulation!

Pandering:
NY Times {a relatively neutral article}
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/us/po ... ref=slogin

“Who is your favorite author?” Aleya Deatsch, 7, of West Des Moines asked Mr. Huckabee in one of those posing-like-a-shopping-mall-Santa moments.

Mr. Huckabee paused, then said his favorite author was Dr. Seuss.

In an interview afterward with the news media, Aleya said she was somewhat surprised. She thought the candidate would be reading at a higher level.

“My favorite author is C. S. Lewis,” she said.
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Obviously Mike Huckabee suffers from two misperceptions... like the Democratic Party and a goodly portion of comfily elected republicans, he think the majority of the electorate is stupid. And he confuses 'canny' with intelligence and thinks he's smarter than we are.

But by the time Super Tuesday is over... even most Christian bloc voters will wise up and realize that either Mitt or Fred Thompson shares their values the most. Or they'll go for electable is Rudy starts regaining his feet.

HatterDon · Dec 22, 2007

I can't believe that you think that Thompson and Rudy are more substantial than Huckabee.

pettyfog · Dec 22, 2007

I JUST EFFINGH EXPLAINED WHY!!!

While I lean toward those with executive experience, what the country needs is just a little more complicated than what Arkansas needs!

What the hell do you want!

HatterDon · Dec 22, 2007

seems to me like the last governor of Arkansas to inhabit the White House managed to balance the budget, reduce the deficit, and somehow contrived NOT to involve us in an elective war that will bleed us dry for generations.

And no, you didn't explain how Rudy and Fred have any substance at all, never mind more than Mike Huckabee.

pettyfog · Dec 22, 2007

meme, aside...

Substance in this case amounts to not comtradicting yourself in the same speech, for a starter.

Or... sounds suspiciously like Jimmy Carter.

pettyfog · Dec 22, 2007

AKD: What will you do for the farmers of Bremer County?

FT: (laughs)

AKD: You knew this was coming, right?

FT: I would continue to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I’ve been looking all over Iowa for a bad steak and I can’t find it. Been trying my best. It’s not a matter of what I would do for the farmers. Farmers are not looking for a president to hand them something. Farmers want fair treatment and a chance to prosper in a free economy and that’s what I would help ensure. There’s a lot of programs we’ve got out there, some of which are good programs, some of which are not. And I think that we need to work our way through that and make sure we’re doing what’s good for the country, not just the farmers, not just the people of Iowa, not just the people of Tennessee. But good for the country. A sound policy that makes sense. I think there’s a lot more that we could do for the working farmer in terms of ecological programs and environmental programs - land conservation, soil conservation - that would be fair and it would be beneficial to the nation and to Iowa and to our country. We’re going to have to phase out the corporate welfare system we’ve got, however. There are extremely rich people living in skyscrapers in Manhattan that are receiving subsidy payments. I think that’s wrong. I’d put a stop to that if it was within my power. That still continues in this latest Farm Bill and it’s not right. There ought to be a cutoff at some level and it’s not right ot have millionaires receiving farm subsidies.
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You think Huckabee would say that?

As opposed to...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzBvQ9EeF3k

Spencer · Dec 24, 2007

The New York Times ran a in-depth look at Huckabee's governorship the other day....

Link

The backlash was inevitable once he hit the top. I saw even Witch Coulter on TV coming down on him, calling him "a snake oil salesmen"(but she's supporting the ultimate whore Romney, what gives!). His tendency to not tow the conservative line on every issue will indeed present problems for him in the future.

He is the best orator in the field, either party, but is a faker in some respects and hasn't shown anything with regard to foreign policy. His strength's are issues that aren't my priority. Far from my first choice.

Smokin' · Dec 26, 2007

He is running on a false record as governer...

My biggest problem with him, aside from the daily Jesus lesson, which is abhorent. I've read about his moral decisions when granting clemency to some people and pardons to others... He is pro life but pro death penalty also... he's interferred with investigtions into crimes committed by his own family. He's flopped on immigration, and flipped on tax increases.

Fred just sits there using catchy southern phrases that make zero sense to me. Petty has a point, but instead of pointing out how they are ALL pretty bad choices, he seems to be favoring Huck right now. Glad you are making a choice or at least considering one.

This guy is a media puppet... his poll numbers aren't supported by any $$$ at all, yet he gets the most possitive coverage of any candidate on the GOP side...

His foreign policy of HONOR is bullshit and evasive.

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