An unholy alliance

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  1. mnlandshark

    mnlandshark New Member

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    So much for betting on Fulham

    In what has to be an unholy alliance the Nanny-state-wannabe wing of the GOP (You're a BAD person) teamed up with some ultra-liberal-protect-us-from-ourselves Dems (You can't make your own decisions) and passed what has to be one of the dumber bills I've seen from our government this year.

    Personally, I don't care if you want to gamble away your days and nights. I'm all for personal privacy and choice. In this case, disabling the ability for people to make their own choices is a willing attempt by the government to take away choice from individuals. Not cool.
     
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  2. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I'm torn on this.

    Like porn, though, there's a problem with some who've previously been able to resist the urge to run themselves into financial ruin because betting wasnt convenient... it's the 'alcoholic factor'.

    Certainly though... it's not a positive alliance like the 'Porkbusters' effort, or the activity against controlling internet campaign politics that congress was considering.
     
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  3. HatterDon

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    Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Well, there's a confession! :shock:

    Sorry Fog, I couldn't resist it.

    We have such a Jeckyll-Hyde relationship with gambling. Our state governments encourage gambling -- especially lotteries -- because they're too gutless to pass a tax bill. Casinos used to be restricted to Nevada, now they're everywhere. At the same time, the same governments continue to crack down on stuff like this.

    Here's the clear message from the gummit. "No gambling unless we get a cut!" :twisted:

    MNLS: You bet on Fulham?
     
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  4. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Get SNARKY now, Don!!!

    Let's just put it this way... anytime one remains silent on 'some' breach of customary and cultural practices and vices, the promoters of same will always escalate until the average guy says 'ENOUGH!'

    It's called 'pushing the envelope' and it ALWAYS happens.
     
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  5. SCFulhamFan

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    How can betting on horses and the 1 and a gazillion chance of getting 5 numbers all right be legal, but playing cards not? My thing is legalize it all or ban it all. Don't pick and choose if it works good for your state. Funny how that works out for those that brought up the bill in the first place.
     
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  6. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Bingo! {meant both ways}


    Notice guvmint ALWAYS seems to like it when it means more revenue...right now there's pushing for a slots program for EXISTING horse tracks in Ohio. And it's based on an education 'lock-box' program to build personal education accounts for ohio high-schoolers.

    "This time, (unlike the lottery) the politicians cant steal the money.. we PROMISE!"

    Yeah, right... a pig can always find his way to corn and a politician can ALWAYS find a way to get at money that the state holds.
     
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  7. mnlandshark

    mnlandshark New Member

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    Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Especially the Ohio GOP!!!! How's that coin collection? Sorry, couldn't resist...

    But getting back on topic, I agree with you that there are some in the population who have a psychological issue that prevents them from knowing where to draw the line. But does that mean that it should be outlawed for the rest of us?

    For a country that was decidedly individualist (or at least federalist) from the start, the liberty of the individual to make free will choices (as long as they cause no harm to others) should outweigh the desire of the state.

    But then there is the cookie jar. The states want their money and they'll find ways to get it. The offshore gambling marketplace offered nothing for their coffers and, as such, they figure if we can't regulate, we'll just cut it off.

    And for the record, I'm not actually crazy enough to bet on Fulham.
     
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  8. dcheather

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    I still love the fact that the bill was attached to a port security bill. I'm glad Bill Frist is retiring, nice guy but...

    This one reason why I consider myself a quasi-libertarian. Politicians are a squirmy lot, I wonder if this bill really would have passed an up or down vote on its own merits. Hmm...

    Oh, and put me down as one who thinks it's okay for people to gamble, even though I personally don't.

    Yeah, people may have problems with addiction. But how did prohibition work out with alcohol? Mmm...not so well.
     
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  9. FFCinPCB

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Haven't read the legislation or bill or statute (now I guess), but I wonder how they decide where the illegal activity is occuring? Obviously all those off-shore gambling people thinks the actual activity is not taking place wherever the gambler is in front of his/her computer. This could be a far from decided legal battle yet.
     
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  10. dcheather

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  11. FFCinPCB

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Oh goody, something else to do besides work! :rock:

    You rock, Heather.
     
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  12. FFCinPCB

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    My initial thought after briefly reading,.......what a bunch of horse manure!

    How do we, as free Americans, feel about the idea of being penalized (maybe jailed, as I did not read that far yet) for something that is completely legal many places in the world?

    Also, statutorily, the reason for the bill is because:
    (3) Internet gambling is a growing cause of debt collection problems for insured depository institutions and the consumer credit industry.

    So don't forget to thank your congressperson for being concerned about banks and credit card companies, but not necessarily you.
     
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  13. pettyfog

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    So... just because the most of the rest of the world sees nothig wrong with it...

    You're getting me off the point, here!
     
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  14. FFCinPCB

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    RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    I wish I could say I do that intentionally, but my self-diagnosed ADHD sometimes provides all the action.
     
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  15. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: An unholy alliance

    Yeah.. we all use that excuse, you aint got a copyright on it!
     
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