The Future of Chris Coleman

What does everyone want to see happen with the manager position at Fulham? Are you happy with the job Coleman has done? Do you want to see him continue?

IF you are not happy and want him out, who do you see as a possible replacement?

 

I certainly don't want him out during the season (that almost never works). I don't know about after the season. How many of the guys are there, in a sense, because Cookie's there, and might consider leaving if he left?

 

It's nothing against CC, but the ride at Fulham should end for him.

He has hit the stasis point at Fulham.. can keep them up somehow but never seems to be able to get the club completely in synch, and it's apparent that he needs to get out and see some different environments and players.

So he should split with Keano and take on a Champs side and learn the rest of his craft.

Martin O'Neill

 

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I would guess very few Dave. And if they did come simply because of Cookie being the manager, perhaps it was because Cookie promoted a carefree environment that was condusive to slackers and not maximizing the talent he has.

Regardless of all that, if players are under contract, no matter whether a manager is dismissed or not, they are obligated to play for the club.

If Cookie did convince some players to come aboard and wanted to leave, I would guess most them, Pembridge, Pearce, Crossley would not be missed all that much by Fulham supporters such as myself.

Remember this Dave, Coleman is not only in charge of things on the pitch, which have been a mixed bag all season, but he is supposed to run the show off the pitch. What has Coleman done in his tenure to show you he has the ability to be successful in the transfer market?

Additionally, what has Cookie and his staff done to help youngsters get better? Rosenior was developed at Bristol City, Timlin is still in the reserves, Zesh Rehman has not improved and a number of others never seem to get better year after year.

Those are signs to me of complacency and that is something we as Fulham fans should not have to put up with. I do not mind a team finishing 15th in the table as long as they go out and give it their all week in and week out. Unfortunately, I cannot say that is the case with a Cookie lead Fulham.

Last, but not least, why is it that so many Fulham players are hurt? Perhaps some of them are nimble and susceptible to injuries, but another part of me thinks it is the system Cookie has in place. Something is happening to get players hurt. Is it the traning, or lack thereof perhaps? Who knows. Perhaps the physios are not up to par either. Something needs to change in that department soon as well.

All in all, the manager is in control of all aspects of the team's performance. Between inconsistent play, injuries and an unmotivated side going through the motions, Cookie has had his run and it has come to an end. Change is needed for the future of this club.

 

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Preach it Brother Tom.

We need someone who isn't afraid to lay into the guys after a pathetic showing, a la Manchester City's manager. Alright, extreme example, but I think you get the point. Discipline is what this team is missing, and that we hope, will lead to the consistency needed to push The Cottagers up to the next level and hoepfully beyond....

 

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I believe that when I first ran this poll last year, it was suggested that a 'should Glen be sacked' poll be run. Not nice at all.

 

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Tom, I'm not saying that Cookie should be kept for next season. Since he was the manager when I became a fan, I have no other reference point to consider. My comment was focued more on raising the question rather than posing an answer. I certainly don't think we should fire him now, because this is something that should be done in the offseason when the team can reflect on it and make sure they get the best guy (unless there is a great choice available now that won't be available in the summer). I've seen teams make rash moves during the season, and it usually doesn't turn out right.

I can see where they could need a more disiplinarian type of a manager. As a Detroit Tigers fan, I have seen that replacing Alan Trammell with Jim Leyland has meant. First of all, Trammell was not a disipline-type guy and Leyland is, and that club was walking all over Tram. Second of all, I can see the difference in Leyland, who is a professional manager who has many years of experience as a manger. They way he handles the club, the things he says, seem light years ahead of Tram. I think Trammell could be a good manager someday with the right club, but not with this club as a rookie manager. (Trammell never even manged in the minors, which Leyland did for many ears before geting a major league job.)

I actually see some similarities between Tram and Cookie. Both were stars with their team who got their jobs in a time of desperation. Neither had run a team before. When they fired Tram, I was sort of in favor of it, but now that I've seen the alternative (Leyland), I think it was a genius move (with all due repect to Trammell). In terms of Cookie, I'm just trying to gather evidence to make a judgement, and Tom, you make some great points on why they should let Coleman go. I'd have to say that based on the evidence, even though I like Cookie, he probably should be replaced.

 

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Dave, I was not coming down on you or getting pissy with you, I was just trying to point some things out. Good comparison with Trammell and Cookie. That seems to be a spot on comparison between the two.

 

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Tom, I know you didn't mean anything about it. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't sure what my feeling was on him. You maide some good points.

 

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It really seems like most of the players like CC but like petty said, Fulham seems to be at a stand still...just bordering on relegation and they don't look like they seem to want to move from there. I place that responsibility on the manager. And thats saying a lot because I'm usually the kind of person that says it's never really the managers fault because he's not playing the game.

As a possible alternative...after the World Cup I have a feeling Bruce Arena is going to move on to a coaching position over seas and Fulham might be the place where he can get his foot in the door...

 

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I'm going to keep it short because I am a new fulham fan and I can't really comment on past years performances... Had fulham won 3-4 away matches this season would the opinions of Cookie still hold true? Our home form has been very good. Based on the table alone we could easily be in 7th place with a few away wins.

I just wonder if a few wins on the road would have helped Coleman out. As someone already stated, consistancy is the problem and a new manager could probably step in and fix that. The talent is there it just need to be applied.

Thats my .02 not that anyone cares.

 

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Jacob, I do think a few road wins would perhaps change the opinion of Cookie, but the inconsistencies we are seeing with this team is something that has been lingering around this club for some time.

All in all, I am disappointed that we have not won on the road, but if that means Cookie will be given his P45's and shown the door, it might not be such a bad thing. It is time for a change in managers!

 

I aint gonna lie...I've been in the camp that wavers with each success or failure streak.
CC has been hit with charges of incompetence on about every facet of his role... but I think two weak points stand out:

1. Playing 'against the grain' schemes; first by hanging on to 4-5-1 after Saha left.. then by NOT going to 4-3-2-1 When the defensive situation called for it.

2. Team motivation. It's all well and good that the players like him and want him to stay on... but the home/away record speaks to the 'intangible leadership' element that inspires the boys on the pitch.

You cant compare teams in the same league let alone different ones... but it's inescapable that a team can motivate itself to produce results and that often happens, but add in the 12th man (the home crowd) and the results are emphasized.
If you're the AWAY team, the only counter to that 12th man is the manager. It's he who has to plant the germ that allows the boys to use the negative vibe in their own psyche.
That there is no clear on-field leader, among Fulham starters, magnifies the problem.
And I would like to point out that Boa's picture in the new kit confirms what a lot of us suspected by reading between lines from a distance. A good player, who loves the game, but doesnt have the temperament to be Captain.

Not that CC is ALL at fault for handing it to Boa, but it points out that a Manager can sometimes be blind to what the bystander sees as obvious.

 

Coleman should go. We are getting worse each season. Martin O'Neill should be our next manager. O'Neill would take us to Europe if he had some money to spend.

 

I feel the same way about Coleman as everyone, unless its a manager w/ a high pedigree, one that is proven...i think he should get one more year....the loyalty and wanting to do the best for Fulham pulls me into his side...but at the same time, I like to drink Coke not watch the league it sponsors...so ultimately whatever the powers that may be would deem best for the whites.....10-4 over and out

 

I think the biggest issue i replacing Coleman is WHO? I'd love Martin O'Neil but its hardly realistic - God just isn't that nice to me. So if not him, WHO? And if anyone says George Burley, I'll hit them!

 

To say O'Neill isnt a realistic choice only looks at normal motives and ambitions.

It's not normal for a manager to leave a successful role, cold, to care for an ill wife, either. Given this and his future plans concerning her, it's really not all that far out.

 

Like I said P-Fog, the old man upstaires just isn't that nice to me. O'Neil is not the normal manager - he is 100 times more intelligent - and I think he is too smart to take the England or Newcastle job. However, I think he is also smart enough to get offered the ManUre job when the Tampa Bay rowdies get rid of Ferguson. Having said all that, how fulhamish would it be if he did join us!

 

According to the Guardian, a well-respected newspaper in England, Fulham has hired some headhunters to find a replacement for current manager Chris Coleman.

As many of you surely know, I would be extremely pleased to see Coleman go. Not that he has not done an okay job with Fulham, but I think he has taken the club as far as he can and in order for Fulham to make the next step up, a new manager with more connections and prowess, such as Martin O'Neill would do it.

Here is a link to the article:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Sto ... 86,00.html

 

Well, unfortuntately it looks as though Al-Fayed wants Coleman to stay afterall. Here is a link t the story on SkySPorts.com that refutes yesterday's article in the Guardian about Fulham hiring a headhunter to find a replacement for Coleman before the 2006-2007 season:

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid ... leman+talk