Cable providers vs Cord cutters

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  1. dcheather

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    I did my yearly threaten to cancel phone call to Comcast to lower my bill and had quite a bit more in success than usual. This is in part because I got rid of some channels and the phone service I never use--however, I was very serious about cancelling the TV and phone this time and just having internet. Why not? I can now stream almost any channel or TV program I want now. So the original offer the phone rep offered was the same triple play package for the original promotional rate. "Will you be willing to stay on at this price?"

    "No. Why pay for something I don't use?" I ask. No script rebuttal from the representative. "I don't use my landline phone, in fact I never hooked landline phone up to begin with. I only watch the cable channels once in a blue moon now, so you can get rid of the TV package. Thanks. How much for just internet?"

    Well, she, of course, gives me the price for the highest internet service for my area 150mbps for $90 before taxes and fees. Say what?! I ask her what's the price for the next level down? It's $79 for 75mbps and it would lower to $69 if I purchase my own modem. I am just about to reluctantly say okay but then she offers me the lowest double play special offer available. $79 for the starter channel line-up and 75mbps internet, plus HBO for a year. I think it's a pretty decent deal...so okay. I don't have to deal with TV antenna reception hiccups and paying either an extra $20-$60 for either Sling TV or Sony Vue streaming TV service...so it makes sense for now.

    This is where I get to the title of the thread: are cord cutters finally having some leverage on cable companies? ESPN lost 3.2 million subscribers last year in part due to cord cutters and it appears to be growing. The mouse company just agreed a few months ago to expand to streaming on Sony Vue where Fox is as well, so the reasons for staying on cable continue to diminish. I feel that as long as there at least 2-3 multichannel streaming providers, it's going to be very good news for the entertainment TV shopper. I can testify that it most likely had a hand in slashing my cable bill in half.

    Only the local sports cable channel seems to be the reason most stay hooked on cable. But how long will the local cable sports channel last on this model? I just don't see the current cable scheme lasting too much longer.

    Anyway, sorry for the longish rant story. I hope the above perhaps helps some FUSAers negotiate their cable bill? Or am I still still getting bit in the ass by Comcast? Probably, but I am not going to fair much better Verizon...I have already checked.
     
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  2. MicahMan

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    That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. We cut the cord a couple years ago when Comcast dropped ESPN from the most basic package. We spent about $300 on an antennae and relied on our 12mbps DSL from Verizon that runs about $80 a month (including phone). We do use the land line - a lot since we have bare-bones cell phones. Our Verizon package includes unlimited long distance and since I often work from home and talk often with out of state co-workers this is a big benefit. We also pay for Netflix.

    I've been trying out Sling, but I'm unlikely to keep it going, although it is tempting. If I could get it working with my Chromecast I might consider it, but they don't seem to like each other (it seems to be just me, this isn't a global issue). Or if beIN was included in the base package that might get me to reconsider too. Frankly I should be watching less TV and not more and Sling would just promote bad habits.
     
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  3. dcheather

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    What seems to be happening with Sling and chromecast? Is it a buffering issue? I think 12mbps might be too low for that streaming service. I am most likely going to use my Xbox One and Amazon Fire stick.

    I'm curious to what cable and internet providers are available in your area @MicahMan. Is DSL the only alternative to Comcast? That sounds like my parents situation up in NH--they're paying almost triple for the same services I had before the downgrade.

    I am really hoping Playstation Vue comes to my area soon (and I've seen rumors that they are), think next year it will be worthwhile my while to switch to Fios and say adios to Comcast altogether.
     
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  4. dtowndough

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    Heather, I did the same thing a few months ago. Our town is rolling out a city-owned fiber optic network and we were the 2nd area to get it. Now I have fast enough speeds to be able to stream anything. I called DirecTv and by the end of the call, that bill was cut in half, so I kept it. Addtionally, there is only a one month penalty to cancel during my "contract."

    I also went with ooma for our home line. I realize it's not a traditional "land" line, but we don't have the best cell service and ooma is only $6 per month. Once our number is ported over we will be able to cancel the old phone/internet package. Once it's all said in done, 1 call to directv and switching internet provider will save us approx $100/month.
     
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  5. MicahMan

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    @dcheather the Chromecast issue is a software problem that seems specific to my phone that I want to cast from. The app doesn't install. Steaming has been fine on 12mbps. Years ago we only had 1mbps and that caused problems if anyone was on the internet for any reason while streaming. Since going to 12mbps we've had no problems. Sometimes there are three people watching separate videos over the same line. Sling looked just fine through my laptop although once or twice an hour it dropped for about 5 seconds.

    Our main options here are Comcast and Verizon. I hate Comcast with such a white hot passion that even if they have a better deal I won't take it.
     
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  6. dcheather

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    So how do you pay for the access? Is there monthly fee or is there a tax? Sounds like my dream scenario--low cost access to a decent speed internet.

    @MicahMan I understand your hatred. I would switch over immediately but I know the Fios cable was damaged to my house, I am afraid of the cost or what the time frame would be to get it replaced (even though Miss Utility did not mark it).
     
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  7. astroevan

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    This is great. I've been exploring options for a couple of months now and it's good to hear other's situations.

    When we moved to CO at the beginning of 2013, I told Comcast that I wanted internet but wasn't sure about tv. They said that I could get the basic of basic tv and internet for virtually the same price as internet alone (sounds like your deal @dcheather), so I did it. After moving two more times since arriving, I'm so fed up with Comcast that I don't know where to begin. (You get a new account number for each address even though you're "moving" your service through Comcast. Then my online account access was not transferred to the "new" account and I have to call them multiple times to link my online account access with the "new" account.)

    I just got a Roku3 and am playing around a bit with it. Took the free two week trial for Sling TV. I was researching the service last month and it didn't sound like they were able to handle the demand (comments like, "don't even try to watch MNF or Walking Dead"). We'll see how it goes. I really think that a la carte tv is starting to gain traction. As long as there are a couple providers like Sling, cable is going to lose its grip.

    I also bought an indoor digital antenna over the weekend. I'm not getting as many channels as expected and ordered a different one last night. I'll see how it compares with the first and return the lesser or both potentially. I haven't really looked at outdoor antenna options since I rent, but might if the indoor ones don't prove worthy.

    I'm starting to think that I live in the same town as @dtowndough. If so, the city is providing gigabit internet. They have an initial deal that if you sign up within the first three months that it is available at your address, you are grandfathered in at $50 per month. Regular rates now will be $100 per month. I'm waiting for the installation on my street and then Bye Bye Comcast! Unfortunately though, I am one block over from the zone that they are installing now - not sure when they'll actually move into my zone.
     
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  8. dcheather

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    I have an indoor antenna that works pretty well. I live within 25 miles of both DC and Baltimore so I pick-up quite a number of local affiliate stations but it sure does matter a lot on where I place the antenna. One wall I get most of the Baltimore stations on another I get DC stations. Finally found a spot where I can get the ABC, CBS, FOX, CW and NBC stations.

    I downloaded the Sling app on the Xbox and Amazon Fire stick, and it seems to work well. Who knows maybe I'll Comcast again, cancel everything, and move over to a Verizon Fios Internet only deal. Right now I think in a year there's going to be a few better options available or at least on the horizon.
     
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  9. MicahMan

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    I live in a bit of a hole located in Lancaster County, PA. Without a rooftop antennae we can only get two channels because the ridge that wraps around us blocks the closest signals. However WITH the rooftop antennae on a good day we can get signals from Harrisburg, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. Philly and Baltimore are not consistent. Sometimes they are great, sometimes they don't come in at all. That is the big downside of digital signals. There is no "fuzzy" reception. HD glory or nuttin'. As a kid I watched tons of shows through "snow" and I wish that was a possibility with digital. I wanted my one son to do a science fair project about what environmental conditions impact TV signal strength. Instead he decided to do something about how to raise soybeans in a warmer, drier climate. What good does that do me?! I'm not a farmer!

    The day that we raised up our antennae and called Comcast to cut our cable was glorious. Like Scarlett O'Hara I proclaimed from my rooftop "As God as my witness I shall not pay Comcast again!"
     
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  10. dtowndough

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    Hey Heather, it's a flat monthly rate of $40 for the fiber optic.
     
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  11. dcheather

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    That's great, and I gotta admit I'm jealous.
     
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  12. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Well, you wont know if you dont ask Verizon. "It all depends", of course. On the distance of the replacement and whether overhead or buried. In some cases, buried is cheaper to replace than overhead. The physical fiber line is not really all that expensive for them, UNLESS all their 'taps' on the PoP {like a Hub, sorta} are occupied.
    Complicating this is Verizon's ongoing marketing strategy. If they're tired of maintaining and expanding their infrastructure, {as seems to be the case with ATT} you're basically out of luck unless you only look at it short term.
    On the other hand, that's the deal GENERALLY when it comes to broadband. You cannot look more than 2 years forward.

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    BTW, speaking of 'fiber superiority, it's important to understand that the Bandwidth bottleneck, for any provider who is NOT ATT, is not in the last mile, it's in the portal to the internet backbone. Standard cable providers like Comcast or TW who provide TV programming via Switched Digital like 'on demand and 'start over' and then tell you there's no room on their coax for higher bandwidth speeds are -ahem- fibbing, big time. It's their 'border boundary' traffic that costs them and which they want to control.
     
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