Zimbabwe: Tyranny Wins

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  1. pettyfog

    pettyfog Well-Known Member

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    Dont expect an explanation from our UN, just a speech.

    Dont expect a comment from Jimmy Carter, either.

    And dont expect anything different from a certain current candidate who thinks Carter is an example to follow..

    Somewhat related:

    Can McCain claim the Ron Paul votes?

    My thoughts: To hell with 'em!
     
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  2. HatterDon

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    This is incredibly sad for the people of Zimbabwe and for freedom everywhere.

    when I saw the thread title, I wondered to myself how long it would take you to put Jimmy Carter into your first post.

    You never fail to disappoint.
     
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  3. pettyfog

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    Well, Don... while you and I were aware at the time of the reforming of Rhodesia, Jimmy and Andrew Young's idiocy in their policy role was not especially apparent. We had no idea what would come of Mugabe coming to power with their support.

    While there were plenty of warning signs, one always hopes for the best.


    Now we know. And that's why I NOW look at the warning signs.
     
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  4. FFC24

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    To hell with the Ron Paul votes? HAHA. You won't get within 10 points of Obama if you can't gain his votes.
     
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  5. Lyle

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    Hopefully Obama pulls a Bush and invades that Heart of Darkness.
     
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  6. pettyfog

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    There's no point in military action there.

    The HR orgs are silent, most of the rest of Africa is silent. Most importantly, except for Desmond Tutu, South Africa is silent.

    Use the following link at your own risk, it's an adware application 'cpxinteractive' which causes spybot to pop a warning; looks basically harmless.
    2002: Andrew Young defends Mugabe and himself.

    Note that Young meant well, in fact there's several things I agree with him. In the end, though, it's all about 'good intentions' going wrong. And not admitting that, even after years of contrary evidence.
    The story of the Carter Administration.
    Here's a google roundup, pretty much unanimous.
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    As to McCain and Paulians, I cant think of a single thing they have in common. He's big Guvmint, not isolationist... most votes in the Paul camp will likely go to Barr or Obama. Or even Nader.. that's how looney things are.
     
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  7. HatterDon

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    it cracks me up that on several occasions you've posted things along the line of "Bush derangement isn't the issue. Bush isn't running for president." But you're still foaming at the mouth about Jimmy Carter [who left office in 1980] in an effort to "warn people" about Obama.

    Not that it isn't your right. After all, if you want to convince people to vote Republican, it's fair to identify the Democrats with their weakest president in the last century, but sauce to the goose, my friend. It should also be fair for Democrats to cite not only GWB, but also Hoover and Grant for that matter.
     
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  8. pettyfog

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    Because WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH HIS MISTAKES.
    And in some cases, Bush is getting blamed for NOT trying what Carter tried.
    And in OTHER cases, particularly on Palestine, some on the left are claiming that Dubya hasn't even tried to do anything, when many of us see Rice's latest efforts as worthy of Carter, himself. They must be.. everyone involved is ignoring them.

    And I made the point, if JC had learned from those mistakes, we'd see more than excuses. Or deafening silence.

    But he still goes on record in current issues hoping they will turn out differently.

    If you want to compare Carter to Bush, let's talk in December 2009 and see who owned up to what.

    I haven't written this in a while so I guess it's appropriate for now.
    Carter is probably the most compassionate human being we ever elected president. I cant fault a single one of his 'intentions'.

    At the least, he is consistent. And there's the problem; He never learns.

    Will Obama learn from them? That's the big worrying point. Doesn't really look like it.
     
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  9. HatterDon

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    and it doesn't really matter since he won't be president in 2009.
     
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  10. Lyle

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    Obama is going to win. I'm going to vote for him. Got to love a man who throws his pastor, his pastor's priest friend, and his own church under the bus so he can become the most effective politician he possibly can. Caesar himself would be proud I think. An added plus was throwing black fathers under the bus on Father's Day, in light of the nearly 70% out-of-wedlock fact in the African-American community. Lovely.

    Good bye Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Good bye.
     
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  11. pettyfog

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    'If only Mugabe were white'

    Raises questions.. or IMO answers the BIG ONE: 'Why dont we DO something?!!!'

    Anyway, Mugabe 'won'... he's crowing about the big victory and this NYT guy is answering the question.

     
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  12. dave2d2

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    RE:

    It is a very sad thing indeed. That country is in ruins, inflation is exorbitant, and no change in sight. Shame.
     
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  13. Bradical

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    Yes, South Africa is a mess, which will be the elephant in the room at the next World Cup.

    As for what happens to Ron Paul's votes, I can tell you that in my one case, it will go to Obama. If you had told me in 2006 that I was hoping that another Republican from Texas would win the Republican nomination so that I could vote for him, I would have said "You're crazy." But I liked his ideas and his mind. I want to get out of Iraq yesterday. I think that getting rid of the income tax would result in a better economy. Sadly, the Republicans thought that Ron Paul was too "looney" to be in their debates, too subversive for Fox News to acknowledge the grassroots support (not to mention the support from our troops) that he was getting, and he couldn't gather enough steam to stay in the race. The Rebuplicans missed out on a big chance to win the election - Paul would have won the votes of alot of liberals and independents (like me).
     
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  14. Tony_USA

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    to be honest, of the top 3 biggest problems facing the US at this time, I cannot see either of the candidates doing anything to resolve any of them.
    Of the two, I feel that Obama is less likely to invade another country (even if the Generals do claim it would be over in 5 months - as was released this week concerning the Iraq invasion) than McCain, and so he would be more likely, imho, to be in a position to do something good IN the US, rather than attempt to put the focus elsewhere. Foir some weird reason I cannot get that film 'Wag the Dog' out of my mind, and wonder if either GB actually managed to get the gist that it wasn't a real war!! LOL
     
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  15. Tony_USA

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    oh yeah, and as for Zimbabwe, from the moment the farmers were forced out and no-one bothered to lift a finger to help - nope, not even the opposition party - I lost interest in whether the country wrecks itself or not.

    All I hope for is that, at some stage, the army start to starve as well, and maybe then they will have a coup, but until then, no change in the offing I see.
     
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