Jürgen Klinsmann

Discussion in 'Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International' started by americanmike, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. americanmike

    americanmike Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2004
    Right, so I'll start off this section of the board.

    Jürgen Klinsmann - really?
     
    #1
  2. dcheather

    dcheather Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2005
    At first I wasn't so sure he was the right choice. But I am willing to see how things go...it may take some time. Right now I see some parallels to the US team with Fulham. Excellent midfield, but the offense and final third play could use some practice.
     
    #2
  3. Logicalman

    Logicalman New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Whether Klinsmann is the actual right choice is still to be determined, though it is a step in the right direction, in appointing an overseas coach that has some experience playing the European game.
    We've seen the difference the likes McBride, Dempsey, Altidore, Bocanegra, Howard, Spector, etc (you get the picture) have brought to the way the USMNT play. They bring that bit of experience, not only having played against the opposition players, but also the tactics used by the coaches of those teams.

    The problems any new coach faces, be it at whatever level, is that everyone has different expectations as to what 'success' means. To some, beating the Mexicans is the only success that's required, for others making the WCF every 4 years, others it will be getting to the 1/4 s in WCF, and for others, just a greater win-lose ratio, no matter who the opposition.
     
    #3
  4. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    I know what you're saying Heather but the difference between Fulham and the USA is the former has the Thames barrier (well when Jol decides to use it). In contrast, the US is a mess at the back and has a coach who, according to Philip Lahm, left it up to his Bayern defenders to work out the tactics. At the other end we've scored one goal in three games under Klinsi. I want to be positive about this but 30 minutes of exciting soccer here and there is not entirely promising and is something the US has always been able to muster. Also I was initially hopeful that Klinsmann would find himself a USA version of Joachim Loew, but he's decided to ditch his plans of "trying out" assistant coaches and has settled on his long time right hand man, Martin Vasquez.

    My brother lives in Stuttgart now and he says the Germans think it's a joke that we hired him. :cry:
     
    #4
  5. americanmike

    americanmike Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2004
    Something I have always felt is that I feel countries should only be allowed to hire coaches of their own nationality. I think its a joke an Italian manager manges England...and now a German in the USA.

    I pass no judgement on Jurgen...YET.
     
    #5
  6. Fulhamdoctor

    Fulhamdoctor New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    #6
  7. The_Gatties

    The_Gatties New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Location:
    Michigan
    I wasn't thrilled with Jurgen being hired, mainly because too many Americans were wanting Jurgen to take over any time the U.S. had a slip up under Bradley (who I maintain was a decent coach). Jurgen is treated like some sort of savior and that annoys me.

    So far, I suppose I can't say he's passing or failing as coach, but he had better start producing something positive real quick or I'll be the loudest to cry for his sacking.
     
    #7
  8. SoCalJoe

    SoCalJoe Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Location:
    Walnut, CA
    Der Kaiser has experimented with lineups/players, so the early results are nothing to take stock in. As Mo pointed out, unless the backline can be rebuilt (the worst back 4 for the US that I can remember) it doesn't matter who's in charge. It's a long road thru WC qualifying and unless there's is an influx of talent and/or growth of the young players we know about it, there will be some serious bumps and maybe even a roadblock on the way to Brazil. Klins loves to chill w/the familia in Manhatten Beach, and would not be surprised in the least if he determines that it's too much work to see it thru 2014.
     
    #8
  9. dcheather

    dcheather Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2005
    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C426_vKV8I[/youtube]

    Ok..got the youtube embed working.
     
    #9
  10. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Doesnt Bradley live in Manhatten Beach? Surprised then to hear der kommissar would like to meet him and pick his brain. You'd think they'd run into each other.
     
    #10
  11. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    AWESOME Heather!! The fun can really begin now.
     
    #11
  12. Logicalman

    Logicalman New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011

    I agree that would be the ideal solution to such things, though the reason England has an foreign coach is simply because there was no English coach - worth his/her salt - willing to take on the job. Though I guess our very own esteemed Lawrie could have (with an Ecuadorian father and NI mother and born in the smoke, he had a choice of three), and made just as much a mess as any other the others - apart from McClaren - nobody could be as bad as he was.

    Ideal worlds apart though, who would you have chosen to take up the mantle from Bradley?
     
    #12
  13. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Dominic Kinnear for starters.
     
    #13
  14. Logicalman

    Logicalman New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    I agree, he is a great candidate, but would he take the job if offered though?
    He has been so successful the Earthquakes/Dynamo, it makes you wonder why he wasn't offered the job or didn't take it up. :?
     
    #14
  15. dcheather

    dcheather Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2005
    I think Sunil Gulati, USSF head, has been set to name Jurgen the head coach for several years, to him there were no other options.
     
    #15
  16. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    Yeah I agree with Heather about Gulati always intending to hire Klinsmann.

    Of course he's not ready yet but I sure hope someday we see Caleb Porter coaching for the US senior team. He's actually already an assistant for the U18 team. What he has done at Akron is phenomenal. He lost most of his team to the draft last year and if you watch Akron this year they still look in a different class than every other team. He knows how to find players that will fit into his system and they are a joy to watch. He has risen the bar for all of college soccer not just in terms of the play but also attendance and marketing.
     
    #16
  17. SoCalJoe

    SoCalJoe Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Location:
    Walnut, CA
    Of the American managers I think Sigi Schmidt is the top choice, and if things go poorly in qualifying and Der Kaiser bails, I can see Sigi coming to the rescue.
     
    #17
  18. HatterDon

    HatterDon Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2006
    Location:
    Peoples Republic of South Texas
    I've not been pleased with the idea of Klinsmann in charge nor the result. For one thing, both Agudelo and Altidore would benefit from starting with another striker up front. A 4-5-1 at home? Please. I don't believe he has the work ethic necessary to do the wide range of dirty work/travel it takes to be the USA coach.
    I believe I can say this on this site without being harangued, but Klinsmann is the Sarah Palin of football. He doesn't do his homework, he doesn't stretch himself, he's easily distracted, and he'll quit part-way through his commitment for an easier gig.
    I know I'm probably the only one who'll say this, but Bob Bradley was our finest ever national team coach -- by MILES. If he had to go, who would I have preferred? Sigi Schmidt. The man at least knows American players and the MLS.
     
    #18
  19. dtowndough

    dtowndough Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    I like the energy he brings to the team though. He genuinely seems to be having fun and I think the team feeds off his positive energy. Don, I hope you're wrong about his work ethic and will have to wait and see. But I did feel like it was time for a change.
     
    #19
  20. Clevelandmo

    Clevelandmo Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2007
    He's a good cheerleader. Anything more? I'll believe it when I see it. Our defense is a serious issue and Klinsmann at the helm has me biting my nails. Hopefully Boca, Dolo, and Gooch can defy their years and their injury because their experience may be needed.
     
    #20
Similar Threads: Jürgen Klinsmann
Forum Title Date
Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International USMNT - Fix: Per Wambach, fire Jurgen Dec 16, 2015
Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International Klinsmann Out Nov 21, 2016
Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International Klinsmann vs. Garber Oct 16, 2014
Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International Klinsmann picks Crew at Bayern Apr 4, 2008
Prem talk, Those Other Leagues, and International No Klinsmann is an utter disaster. Dec 8, 2006

Share This Page