Who's Next Part ???

Discussion in 'Fulham FC News and Notes' started by jumpkutz, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. jumpkutz

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    Someone in the Kit is out thread asked if Patrick Vieira could play. It would never happen, but I've seen this guy in practice and I'm pretty sure he can still play.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Connor_(footballer,_born_1979)

    All kidding aside, I'd prefer to see someone with RECENT experience getting a team promoted AND managing in the PL. To that end, Brendan Rodgers did a decent job at Swansea, yet I don't see his name on the bookies' radar. He and Paul Lambert should be very near the top of the list. The details of Pearson's departure from Leicester still make me queasy. How do you lead young men after an episode like that? Speaks directly to character, which I believe our team currently has, in droves.
     
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  2. AggieMatt

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    Rodgers isn't listed for the same reason you wouldn't expect Pitino to be linked with the Murray State job.

    Pearson's only crime is being a bit of a bully. The crap in Thailand was 3 of his players (one of whom is his son). That reflects badly, but do we really hold coaches accountable for all of the things their players do off the field? There was no evidence that he knew anything about it or enabled it.
     
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    Didn't realize Rodgers reputation had elevated to such heights. And the fact that Pearson's son was involved reflects poorly on his character for me, and his fitness to lead. Which in this day and age means nada if you win.
     
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    Rodgers managed Liverpool for more than a minute and was also successful in the Prem with Swansea. Plus he's a high achiever personality type. I just can't see him taking the step down to the Championship.

    As for Pearson, is there anyone around their kids less than a pro coach/manager? I watched the most recent 30 for 30 about former Colorado head coach & founder of Promise Keepers, Bill McCartney. Great coach, man of God (however much stock you put in that), but his daughter had the reputation of shagging his football players. She had kids with at least 2 of them that I'm aware. Point is, when you aren't around you don't influence character much.

    Doesn't matter though. Sounds like Lambert's the pick.
     
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    Moyes just became available. Any chance we could land him? He would be a step above Lambert/Pearson in my opinion.
     
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    While Moyes' personality strikes me as such that I wouldn't rule a step down out, I think there will be opportunities in the Prem that he wouldn't have to.

    You don't usually see a guy get the sack & jump right into another job. Seems they usually take a little time to consider options.
     
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    Brendan Rodgers seen on the tube in London! Where is he going? QPR? Fulham? The dentist?! HE'S WEARING A BLACK TIE OMG! IT MUST BE FULHAM! Or the dentist.

     
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    Surprised the speculation isn't Chelsea. Not that there's anything in London besides football clubs.:rolleyes:
     
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    Tea at Claridges, perhaps.
     
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    Harrods - new suit and tie.
     
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    I did not think the official site video on the hiring process would be so interesting.
    • It felt surprisingly honest
    • Rigg essentially removes from Kit any of the credit for the good things that happened for Fulham recently - namely the quality of the players
    • The team is looking for a "Head Coach" rather than a manager since they now have set an approach to the team that is not determined by the nominal manager. This sounds like the approach used by some other clubs that see the manager as a replaceable cog in a bigger machine. Feels like a total turn-around in the philosophy the team was under when Magath was hired.
     
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    I found this to be refreshingly candid as well. Tell your fans (or at least give them a hint of) why you decided to act now and SOME of what you're looking for in the next person. Liked what he said about planning for the end at the beginning. Why not talk about the inevitable? It is, after all, football, not brain surgery. I do know this. Some of the names being bandied about at present won't stand for the limited control that's implied by the "head coach" model. If you like to wager on such things, it'll behoove you to do some homework to figure out who those individuals are, because despite Rigg's ascertation that the "head coach" will have significant say on players, many always want the final say. Thus the semantic difference between "manager" and "head coach." At least that's how I interpret it. Your results may vary.
     
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    @jumpkutz I agree with you about the head coach vs manager distinction. That's probably the most insightful bit of information in the video. Rigg's emphasis on finding a head coach, not a manager, probably rules out the bigger names being thrown around. I can't see those guys coming here if they wouldn't be given total control.
     
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    There's a lack of understanding of how football clubs operate that surprises me. The all powerful manager is pretty much a thing of the past. Rigg & Fulham aren't breaking new ground here, we're finally catching up. He worked under this sort of organizational setup at City. And it isn't going to exclude most managers, whether they fit the club's vision will.

    This is no different than every other pro sport. It takes an organizational team to run a club/franchise, from gm's to coaches to scouts and so on. There was a good article in the Telegraph about it recently.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html

    The article focuses on Southampton, but most clubs operate this way to varying degrees. Saints have taken it further than most though. They have been truly innovative & the proof is in the pudding.

    Just curious, but who's on that list Jump? Outside of maybe Redknapp, I'm not coming up with any.
     
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    I don't know who else would be on that list. I don't wager on manager/head coach hirings and sackings, so I don't spend any time doing homework on such things. I don't even know if Ol' 'Arry's on the list. I just know some head coaches/managers insist on veto power when it comes to the final say on who's on a team and who isn't. They're also the most likely we can't afford, or aren't interested in a club such as ours. Most managers/head coaches out of work tend to blame that fact on, among other things, not having enough "control" or "influence" on player selection. They may not say it publicly, but I'm sure that's tucked away somewhere in their brain.
     
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    I, in no way, took from that video that he'd force a player on a coach. If you hire someone who fits your philosophical vision, that shouldn't be an issue anyway.
     
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    I'm really unhappy about this situation. I hear the complaints about Kit but the truth is, if we beat Birmingham we are at our best position in the last two years. This is going to affect players like Hyndman, like Dembele, who see this insecurity as a risk. I think the fact that we scored the most goals in the league, while trying to play an attractive style football makes up for the inconsistency. What do Fulham fans actually expect from our side at this point?
    Furthermore, everyone is talking about the club structure and Riggs wanting a "head coach" not a "full control manager" which would make a lot more sense if he didn't keep saying he was reporting to Khan, who knows nothing about Football!? Why on earth would we want Sahid Khan making decisions? Look how that worked out for the Jags...

    This is not going to end well and next November, we'll be in the same position we are now, just one year gone off our best players contracts.
     
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