Super Bowl XXadnauseum

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  1. astroevan

    astroevan Well-Known Member

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    The teams don't supply kicking balls. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball
    "Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game."

    Also, 11 out of 12 doesn't point to anything other than the balls were all prepped and inflated consistently.
     
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  2. SoCalJoe

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    You'll have to ask Browner who is on the Pats now, since he was the player who had the Adderall issue ;). His suspension sure didn't keep the Pats from signing him did it? Or signing Blount after he quit on the Steelers mid-season? Ain't no team without issues.

    If your one job was to get the footballs right to #12's liking ala changing a tire at a nascar race, it would be a matter of seconds. I've taken air out of a ball, with the right tool it literally takes seconds.

    Do I think Belichick concerns himself with the footballs while doing game plans? Of course not, but does he make sure the trainers, equipment guys, etc. are prepared before the season to maximize the team's wants and needs? Of course he does, that's his nature and that attention to detail is legendary. Pete is a lot more like Belichick than his media rah, rah persona belies.

    For the record I'm not a Pats hater, for the simple reason the 2 greatest NFL players from the UofA are/were Pats (Tedy Bruschi & Gronk). The Red Sox are a whole different matter ;)
     
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  3. dcheather

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    Yes, but you're talking about getting 12 balls an exact pressure not just letting air out of just one ball. Try taking all 12 balls out of a closed bag deflating each one to this right amount and putting it back in and sealing the bag (all without fumbling the balls and making sure each one was done) in 90 seconds. Maybe if he had assistance, but that would have been detailed on the video if he did. When it comes to these conspiracy type things, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one... he went pee before taking the game balls to the field and standing around for 2+hours.

    I know each team has it's issues,which is why I was ribbing you. I, actually think Seattle's and New England's cheating reps are a bit overblown. I have to admit I respect Seattle a lot, I was rooting for GB not to blow it so NE would face them in Superbowl. Jeez, talk about bad game management. I don't think Wilson will have 2 bad games in a row either.
     
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  4. SoCalJoe

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    All in good fun Heather, and I think the kid was taking care of personal business not team business in the restroom. The Pats are in the SB because they were the best team in the AFC.

    From a selfish standpoint I'm going to bummed the bang your head icon is missing from this site if the Seahawks D forces a turnover or 2 that decides the game, because every knucklehead will come out and say it's because the balls had air pressure in them.
     
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  5. dcheather

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    I just can't wait for the inevitable Mythbusters episode on this whole affair.
     
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  6. HatterDon

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  7. SoCalJoe

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    HD, use 'Zzzz' next time, more effective and easier to spell.
     
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  8. astroevan

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    Don got lost on his way to the threads pertaining to the round footballs.
    :confused:
     
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  9. HatterDon

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    Not really, but the whole inflatable football thing is an absolute joke. There's TONS of scandal available in the NFL -- tax cheating, collusion, restraint of trade, drug usage, destruction of players careers, suicide, murder, spousal abuse, insanity -- that can be talked about, but inflating footballs?

    And here's a question, if both teams DIDN'T want an advantage over their opponent with the makeup of the football, then why do both teams submit footballs that only THEY will use on offense? This is an absolute permission slip to doctor them. In every other ball sport I can think of, both teams use the same ball.

    It is well to remember that the 24/7 news networks, twitter, and other social media need to be fed constantly and what is so minimal as to be almost painful gets elevated to the level where "gate" is appended to it.

    Here's an idea: have the league supply the footballs for every game, and -- while you're at it -- use the same shape/size football for running, passing AND place-kicking.
     
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    Surprised you guys have wasted this much of your time on the deflated balls non-issue. Here's a thought, how about the league takes care of supplying the balls? If the NCAA can handle it, I'm sure the NFL can.

    As for the game, I'll be pulling for the Seachickens again since I spent 5 years up there and used to go to a couple of Hawks games a year. But I have a feeling the Pats will nick this one. The Hawks' secondary injuries are the big concern. That, and with their exceptional corners, I expect the Pats to employ a scheme that takes away Wilson's 1st 2 options on pass plays. If they can do that and keep contain, he'll struggle.

    The funny thing about the Super Bowl is that it's the only day of the year I actually want to see commercials instead of loathing their existence (even though dvr's have minimized their annoyance). And Joe, after she called out LSU with corndogs on Gameday, I just can't hate Katy Perry.
     
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  12. pettyfog

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    Well, gotta say it was entertaining and a pretty good game up until the last Seahawks play. Of course if it had ended in a TD, everyone would forget it. But ... WTF!!!!

    Halftime show: I had no problems with... the only 'glitch' was the transition from CGI to on field spectacle was not seamless. Somebody gonna hear it for that. Oh, and in 5 more years, wouldnt HAVE to have the Tiger's 'walkers' to make sure his feet went where they were supposed to be.

    The commercials: Nissan brought us down. Maybe because they dont HAVE a NASCAR program?

    "Like a Girl" was to me touchy feely bullshit - perhaps because I have common sense and am becoming fed up with elitist feminism. At infancy to toddler EVERYONE throws and runs 'Like a Girl'. THEN nurture takes over, IF it's available. And that's when hundreds of generations of evolution comes in. Harder to teach women to not throw and run not like a girl - because PHYSIOLOGY! - but it's done all the time. Some guys never learn, tho. Because they have no one to teach them. See video Obama throwing in first pitch. BEFORE you start, NO GUY who used to be good at basketball misses 17 0f 25 from the line. I havent tossed at a hoop for decades and I was never good but I'm pretty damn sure I could beat that at 72.

    Worst foof, if it actually was one, was the cancellation of the GoDaddy pup comes home ad. I thought it was funny. Most - probably women and metrosexuals- thought it was awful. WHY? !!! Pup was alive to go to good home.
    Bear in mind the 'coincidental' juxtaposition to the Bud commercial with same theme. I had actually seen it first and thought both were great but only GoDaddy was funny*.. OTOH, fantastic brand exposure for cheap.
    * Why did Bud use wolves as the 'danger'?! Far more likely to actually be Coyote, and the horses MIGHT save pup. Against Wolves.. bullshit. Horses would say 'screw that!'
     
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  13. HatterDon

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    I agree with the first phrase of Pettyfog's first sentence. It was a good game for a neutral. I tuned in just as the Seahawks were driving to equalize at 7-7. That means I saw pretty much a scoring fest. I thought the interior line play was a perfect commercial for the NFL -- gritty, strong, violent, resolute -- so everyone on television ignored it to talk about cornerbacks and wide receivers.

    I didn't realize I had a horse in the race until just after halftime when it dawned on me that All World Asshat Pete Carroll was coaching the Seahawks. And, never mind the interception, Seattle still had a chance with no room for the NE QB to take a knee. However, there was plenty of room on the 21 yard line after two MORE defensive meltdowns.

    Oh, and everything after Pettyfog's first phrase is pretty much incomprehensible.
     
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  14. pettyfog

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    So... you DIDNT watch the superbowl. You watched the GAME.
    I see.
    BTW. I also agree with your GAME analysis. I had the advantage that I had sound off and saw the close caption. Much easier to ignore. *
    Cris Collinsworth is ex WR. Nuff said.

    *Why? Cuz we were also streaming second season of 'The Americans', paused that for the Halftime show.
     
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  15. HatterDon

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    Ah, The Americans! I see we do have something in common.
     
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  16. dcheather

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    Good game. So many twist and turns throughout that each team's supporters could have thought their guys had the game in hand, so of course it came down to ONE play. Woulda, coulda, shouldas don't really decide the match though. That thinking could be played throughout that game. What if Brady doesn't throw an interception on the first drive and NE scores a touchdown instead. After watching Seattle's first few possesions I think they have difficult time getting back into it if they had gone down 14-0. What if Butler hadn't leaped over Kearse while he was juggling the ball on his back for the catch that leads up to THE LAST Seattle throw? Does intercept it or bat it away?

    To say that ONE Play decided the game ignores everything that lead up to that moment. It isn't fair to judge the game on that--although I know everyone will be thinking it. Seattle could have easily not have been here if Green Bay recovered the onside kick...I think Seattle supporters would agree that it wasn't just that play that decided it. The thing is the Patriots scored 14 unanswered points in the 4th quarter against the best defense in the Super Bowl.

    Trust me, as a Pats fan I still wonder about the Tyree catch and wonder if Harrison didn't play ball but the guy instead...but to ignore everything before and after it isn't completely fair to what lead to the final outcome.

    Edit: BTW...I was very happy, jumping up and down yelling, "YES!!! yes!!! yes!!!" on the final play. Thanks Pete and Butler. ;)
     
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  17. AggieMatt

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    I get that Heather, but if I'm a Hawks fan today I feel sick that, in the final moment, my team had a chance to win the game (or put the odds overwhelmingly in their favor) and didn't do it. What's worse is that they blew that chance by getting cute & making one of the worst play calls in Super Bowl history.

    We're well aware of that feeling here in SA after snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Heat last year. Fortunately for us, the Spurs avenged that loss (in spades) the next year.

    I thought halftime was grand and absurd & fit into the "spectacular" nature I'd expect of a SB halftime show. I especially liked some of the visual elements, particularly the 1st two songs (lion puppet & chessboard).

    Congrats to our Deflatriots :) fans (DCH, Jim, anyone else), that had to be an exhilarating win. Great game.
     
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  18. dcheather

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    Umm, thanks?


    BTW...

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

    >> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.

    >> That the man entered the restroom prior to walking with the footballs onto the field was discovered by the Patriots, and video footage was quickly turned over to Ted Wells for his investigation.

    >> When coach Bill Belichick and Tom Brady were told there were questions about the footballs, both were incredulous. Belichick indicated privately what he said publicly: That he had little knowledge of what went into pregame footballs. Brady told someone close to him that he works on the footballs all week, then has no idea what happens to them on gameday.

    >> Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.

    >> Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson's initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs. Because Anderson was the referee for two other Patriots games this season, there are more than 30 footballs with his initials in the team's possession. It appears the league has the football D'Qwell Jackson intercepted and took to the sidelines to ultimately hand over to his equipment staff.

    Stupidest SB distraction story ever.
     
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  19. AggieMatt

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    You saw the smiley, no? Just wanted to work in Deflatriots before the opportunity was completely lost.

    As I stated before, I agree it was one of the stupidest distraction stories in SB history.

    Genuinely pleased for you guys though. Nothing beats winning at the death. Especially twice in the last 2 minutes (late td, game saving int).
     
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  20. dcheather

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    Sorry--my bad. But I just wanted to get this "cheat" tag buried. But, geez, it wouldn't shock me if the NFL pulled another stupid here and made this seem like another big cheating scandal out of something so silly (cough, spygate, cough).
     
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