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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby HatterDon » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:32 pm

sullytex wrote:HD....ER....what happened...may have missed another post. Hope you just stubbed your toe amigo.


Hey Sully,

Since I've been chatting with several FulhAmericans on Facebook about this, I just assumed that it was common knowledge on this forum and Friends of Fulham, but I guess not.

Last Saturday, I dropped by a weekend clinic to see if I could get a referral for a relatively minor complaint. As a matter of course they did my vitals and discovered that my normal resting heartrate of 56-60 was 140. I went off to the ER and spent the night in the cardiology ward. They doped me up and got my numbers back in the zone and I'm on medication -- apparently for life. Evidently, in the parlance, they caught me in A-fib before I could get to A-flutter. [I'd like to say I'd been caught in a fib many times, but the appropriate smilie isn't here.].

The reason for the detail is that I have no history of ANY heart irrgularity and I experienced no symptoms. It's probably not a bad idea for ANY OF US to get one of those home blood pressure machines that also read heart rate and check yourself periodically.

I'm perfectly fine, by the way!
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby AggieMatt » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:45 am

Glad to hear you're okay Don. That's good advice, btw, moreso as folks get older.

On to Fulham and the Good, the Baird and the Ugly.

I was encouraged to see us take a more attacking approach on the day, especially given some of the uninspired efforts we'd put forth in the Prem lately. It was also apparent early that Spurs weren't on their game. We had a lot of shots, we generated countless turnovers by pressuring Spurs back four and Dembele had one of the best matches I've seen from him. He was fantastic defensively.

While we had a ton of shots, I didn't think many of our chances were dangerous, especially in the 1st half. We shot from outside the box most of the time and they were either comfortably saved by Friedel or deflected out for corners. The threat level of our shots went up in the 2nd half and we were unlucky not to score or get a penalty from that flurry that resulted in Walker hugging the ball. However, we probably got away with one on the other end on the Sidwell tackle right on the edge of the box.

I agree with Don about King and Zamora. He owned Bob in the middle and we were unlucky to catch him healthy and in form. However we adjusted in the 2nd half and Bob started taking up a position out wide which gave him some room to maneuver and gave us some much needed width. It seemed like the quality of our chances improved once we made that adjustment.

The other issue we had offensively is the same one that has plagued the club since I've followed them. We don't have enough strike options. In the first half, King was in Zamora's back pocket and effectively took him out of play. That left Dempsey in the box alone most of the time. Despite playing a good game, Dembele just isn't a striker. He retreats too deep and doesn't get into the box. He's getting better about taking shots from outside, but that's a low percentage option. In the 2nd half, once Bob moved out wide, we were usually left with Dempsey and Sidwell in the box. Obviously on set pieces that wasn't the case, but from the run of play we're playing ourselves into situations where the opposition have too much of a numbers advantage in front of net.

On the defensive end we find ourselves undermanned at cb due to injuries. I've thought Baird was struggling there for several weeks, especially on balls in the air, but today was really not his day. I don't fault the first goal that deflected off of him. It was blasted and was going in anyway. But on the 2nd goal he retreated too much and then got skinned and he was largely responsible for the 3rd. If he leaves his spot to close down behind Brede, he can't let that cutback get by him. It did and Kelly and Schwarzer were defenseless to stop Defoe from there.

That's not to put it all on Baird. The other half of that equation was Grygera. For my money, Kelly has been the better rb whenever he's played. He has better pace and recovery, he gets forward more often (and further) and he supplies better crosses. But the biggest difference, especially on this day, is that he doesn't get suckered as much when teams play triangles to get by him. Grygera got torched by that on a number of occassions and let Bale or Lennon get loose down the sideline. On both of their goals, Grygera was chasing the play from behind. Once Grygera left injured, Kelly shut that down for the most part. Oddly Duff, who's usually good at providing cover for his rb's, wasn't today.

Going back to the offensive situation. The way Dembele is playing his position offensively, it's essentially rendering one of the cm's irrelevant, imo. I think we'd almost be better off going with just one and adding an extra striker (AJ or Ruiz). His passing still leaves a bit to be desired for that role, but his defensive work continues to improve. I think we could get away with it and get better chances as a result.

All in all, I thought we were unfortunate not to get a point out of that one. But I was encouraged by how we opened up our play offensively. Hopefully that continues on the other side of the int'l break, unlike last time.
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby DCHeather » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:45 am

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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby Clevelandmo » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:03 pm

Matt, nice write up as usual. Thanks. Agree completely about Dembele's defense and your idea of using him as a CM so we can add another striker is interesting. I'd like to see that for at least part of a match.

I thought Baird's defense on the second goal was terrible - nothing but retreating with his back to his man. I thought he showed Lennon way too much respect, but perhaps the own goal put too much doubt in his head.

I would like to see Dempsey rested. Coming off a much deserved rest over the summer, Clint was looking sharper and more dangerous than ever at the start of the season. The last few games his play is mostly frustrating me. Jol's tactics or lockeroom issues may play a role but he clearly does not look as sharp. At least he doesnt have to travel across the ocean for the upcoming friendlies.

While the hugging of the ball was ridiculous so was Sidders shove in the box.

Heather's comparison of Fulham to the US MNT in another thread is now pretty much spot on because of the recent injuries to our defenders. We have good strikers but no one truly menacing as an individual, we have a wealth of good midfielders and wingers that represent our biggest threats, we have a shaky defense, and we have a great goalkeeper. USA = FFC?
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby SoCalJoe » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:56 pm

Watched the second half last night after my wife's favorite team; the Steelers lost a heartbreaker and was as equally frustrated as she was. Not to get a point out of that was a punch in the gut. The commentators mentioned that the ref had only given one pk in his last 30-something matches which in many ways is commendable, but the Spurs' player literally hugged the ball. Without a doubt Sids fouled Parker, but the announcers were wrong that it should of been a pen because the contact was made outside the box. Freidal, Modric, and King with brilliant plays to keep out the tying score.

I wonder if people had this same quandry. Is it better to play horrid and get a result ala Wigan or play some great football only, but not get the result?? I know I felt better after the boys got the 3 points.
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby HatterDon » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:59 pm

I don't fault Baird for the second goal -- for two basic reasons:

1. Once Grygera was beaten well upfield, Baird could NOT front him without leaving the entire right side of the field uncovered. He had to retreat and, while he did so, he positioned himself so that the only option Lennon had was to use his weaker left foot.

2. Lennon's goal was a thing of beauty. I don't believe I've EVER seen him shoot with his left and this one was a screamer. He had an incredibly small window between the post and Schwarzer. He found it and he hammered it. In a one-on-one situation like this, when the attacker is so quick and tactiacally so sound, it seems egregious to blame Baird -- and I know Matt just doesn't like Baird as a CB. Face it, once Grygera allowed himself to be out of the play, the only thing we could hope for was for Lennon to miss. If he had, there would have been Eddie Johnson v. West Ham comparisons.
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby sullytex » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:54 pm

HatterDon wrote:
sullytex wrote:HD....ER....what happened...may have missed another post. Hope you just stubbed your toe amigo.


Last Saturday, I dropped by a weekend clinic to see if I could get a referral for a relatively minor complaint. As a matter of course they did my vitals and discovered that my normal resting heartrate of 56-60 was 140. I went off to the ER and spent the night in the cardiology ward. They doped me up and got my numbers back in the zone and I'm on medication -- apparently for life. Evidently, in the parlance, they caught me in A-fib before I could get to A-flutter. [I'd like to say I'd been caught in a fib many times, but the appropriate smilie isn't here.].


Don my Dad, in his late 60's, just went thru the exact same thing over the summer, gave us quite a scare. I mean it sounds exactly the same. His dad has been on meds for the same problem for like 20 plus years and it looks like my dad will be on them as well. That is awesome they caught yours when they did and good to hear things are back on an even keel.
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Re: Fulham v. Tottenham

Postby AggieMatt » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:27 am

Egregious? :roll: I blamed both Baird and Grygera for it. Both could have played it differently and prevented a goal. And I would have faulted any of our cb's if they'd played it the way Baird did, so it has nothing to do with justifying my feelings about Baird as a cb.

Watch the replay again. Baird has inside help coming back into the play, at a better angle. Imo, Baird has to slow Lennon or at least steer him wide. And he can't bite on the inside fake, where the help is closing in, and open that space for Lennon to shoot.
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