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Re: US vs. France

Postby nevzter » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:38 pm

And to add: the squad looks disjointed. That is in the final third
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Re: US vs. France

Postby DCHeather » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:08 pm

I didn't see anything different than the previous 3 games. :| We still play like crap in Europe. Although the team looked a lot better when they started attacking late with in 4-4-2 formation. (hint, hint Klinsmann)

I still have hope though, we just need a full healthy squad to play for the guys to get results. I hope the Gooch is healthy for the Slovenia game.
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Re: US vs. France

Postby HatterDon » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:13 pm

So, I didn't see anything but the first 20 minutes and the last 35 [thanks Time Warner], but I will say that this is the first international I've seen in Europe where the best player on the pitch was an American. Clint really is at the top of his form.

And, it does appear that JK will be the last person in Germany, France, Slovenia, and the USA to realize that Jozy plays better with a strike partner. Someday I also hope that he realizes that ALWAYS playing the ball out of defense with short, sharp passing accomplishes two things [a] it gives the opponent plenty of time to organize his defense and [b] the chances of giving the ball back while fairly deep in your end increase.

So I don't like his squad selection, his tactics, his substitutions, and his inability to react at half-time to what has been happeing in the first 45. In his favor? Well, he is a snappy dresser, and -- of course -- he speaks English with an accent.

I wonder how Egypt's doing?
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Re: US vs. France

Postby nevzter » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:13 pm

I must say that Clint was class. But I'll add that he did go down soft about a half dozen times.

How does a small attacker push over Goodsen on the goal? Or maybe their feet were tangled?

I don't see any improvement - Bob's last days were not good, but Der Kommissar hasn't been any better. 4 losses in 6 isn't acceptable given the squad performances - THE SQUAD CANNOT SCORE. PLAY WITH TWO REAL FORWARDS. 4-1-3-2 - let Dempsey play in the "3" and put another person with Altidore - who worked his ass off today, cheers to him - who can score.

I don't know, Buddle is a good start b/c the team looked much more attacking with him on the pitch - but there's this fella in Mexico that's been scoring club goals for a few years, maybe, just maybe, he'll score for the US given the chance again. If given my druthers, I'd put Donovan as the second striker and use Gomez as a sub.

Just frustrated, because overall, the defense and Howard were pretty good today. The offense, well, not so much.

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Re: US vs. France

Postby jumpkutz » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:22 am

Agree about 2 forwards (something I think I've stated previously here). Also agree about counterattacking quicker on change of possession in our end. Definitely some changes needed...but, perhaps there's some method in the madness, i.e, gotta learn to crawl before you walk, etc., etc. Still, these guys should already know how to do either, right? Break out fast or slowly, right? I think I prefer fast. Thank God for little Timmy back there. It's an old cliche, but he really did keep us in this one. Doesn't matter, however, if we can't mount a reasonable fascimile of an attack. SOME improvement in that regard would be welcome...COME ON YOU YANKS!
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Re: US vs. France

Postby Clevelandmo » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:54 pm

Why does everyone keep saying the USA looks the same as under Bob Bradley? No it doesnt, they actually looked better under Bob Bradley. That really cant be disputed. Buehler, Buehler, anyone? help me here.

I will be patient because the Porter appointment has made me see a master plan that I can buy into. I will just take all my complaints about klinsmann's handling of the senior team and bury them deep down inside.
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Re: US vs. France

Postby HatterDon » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:45 am

You also have the option, Mo, of silently nodding your head when I rip Jurgen a new one. I agree that we looked better under Bradley -- especially in the seoond half when his tactical nous could figure out how to counter the opponent's play.

And I am NEVER going to feel comfortable playing with only one striker at home against Central/South American countries as we did last international break.
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Re: US vs. France

Postby DCHeather » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:17 am

Clevelandmo wrote:Why does everyone keep saying the USA looks the same as under Bob Bradley? No it doesnt, they actually looked better under Bob Bradley. That really cant be disputed. Buehler, Buehler, anyone? help me here.

I will be patient because the Porter appointment has made me see a master plan that I can buy into. I will just take all my complaints about klinsmann's handling of the senior team and bury them deep down inside.


I think we are playing a bit better now than we were than under Bradley...but not by much. The thing I am most disappointed with Klinsmann is his continually start of Beckerman and Edu in the middle at the same time. Beckerman is doing his job ok...which is sit and protect the cbs and play some passes to open players. But I'm lost on what Edu is doing out there. I can't figure out what his role is. If it's to be a box to box midfielder, I can't say he's doing a very good job at it. He doesn't seem to get forward enough or pass the ball well enough. Plus, from what I have read elsewhere Danny Williams plays in the center midfield and is not a wide player like he is being used for the US. Why not put him in Edu's spot then? And see if Edu can play Beckerman's role? I just don't understand why Klinsmann keeps putting out the same players in the same formation and expects something different. Especially in the terms of the offense generated. I think we are playing with better organization...but I believe some player's are being played in a role they are not suited for and more help (1 or 2 more players getting up the field) is needed up front. If Klinsmann would just show some flexibility in moving some player's around, replacing some in the starting line-up, or even change the formation; we just might be getting somewhere in terms of creating chances.
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Re: US vs. France

Postby Clevelandmo » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:36 am

HatterDon wrote:You also have the option, Mo, of silently nodding your head when I rip Jurgen a new one. .


How did you know? That's what I've been doing when I read your posts on the matter.

Still hoping for that USA - Egypt match-up myself. I'd fly anywhere in the country to see it. I'm sure Klinsmann would head into with qualifying words about the superior talent of Egypt just like he has done with Mexico, Belgium and even Ecuador to an extent.
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Re: US vs. France

Postby SoCalJoe » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:11 pm

Mercifully was out of town and didn't see it. Baffled to read that Beckerman is still getting minutes.
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